Magus55

Where did he say the bolded?

Despite atheists constantly bringing up the NTSF, its really a stupid fallacy. The definitive source of what it means to be Christian is the Bible. And the Bible tells us what we can expect of Christians. And while we may not know for sure whether one is Christian, we can question ones actions and motives as to whether they really follow Christ, or merely use it as a political title.

If I called myself atheist, even though I strongly believe in God, would you refrain from saying i'm not an atheist, even though you would be correct in your assessment?

Bright Life

Magus,

If you intend to continue arguing, please answer the question I posed earlier. Just because you walk away from it for a few days, doesn't mean the question is not still there.

As for your "no true scotsman" fallacy above, we all know that interpretations of the bible are wildly different. As you well know, genocide is condoned in the bible, so it's not really a stretch to interpret it in many horrible ways.

And, as for you claiming to be an atheist, I'd take you at your word. If you want to deny your god publicly, and risk damning your very soul to the firey pits of hell (your beliefs, not mine), who am I to call you a liar?




BL

The Evil One

In a 1922 speech, he used that very expression to refer to Jesus:

Posted by Prmetheus_fr on this very thread a few short days ago.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...59#post1776559

whichphilosophy

Whether Hitler was a Christian was irrelevant. He was a lunatic and whether he was a Jew, Hindu, atheist,agnostic, worshiper of the tooth fairy or Bhuddist, he would have still perpetuated the atrocities that took place.

Bright Life

Perhaps, perhaps not. The point here is that people claim that atheists are immoral and that being a christian automatically makes you a better person. When someone plays the "Hitler Card," christians use the "no true scotsman" line of fallacious argument to preserve this belief.

BL

Gawen

Those of you who are interested...try this.

IrishGuy

I don't think that Magus can answer every last post. I've learned that being a Christian in these forums means that you're outnumbered at least 8 to 1. This is an "Internet Infidels" forum, after all. Its frustrating to keep up with so many posts, and answer every question and rebuttal.

openeyes

I agree.

Bright Life

Some users, christian or not, have a habit of positing theories, and then ignoring the arguments set forth to refute them. Later these users will come back to the thread, positing more theories, without addressing the former questions. This is not condusive to discussion, hence my request.

BL

Magus55

Prometheus said Hitler stated that Jesus was his lord and savior. The above just says lord and savior, it never says who. The pope claims to be Christian, yet Mary is his lord and savior.