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Ciborium · 04-30-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by herev

and your's was not online, mine was as can be attested to by the ones I was talking to then.
Why keep fighting? Why not simply do what is being asked of you to REALLY find out what it was all about instead of making stuff up and spreading those lies, even going so far as to defend yourself against why you THINK you were temporarily removed? It would have been so simple.

To ask such a thing is to confirm that you are now outside the loop of what has continued to take place. In this matter I have not lied nor made up a thing.

As I said, you have my forgiveness, even if you somehow have convinced yourself it may not apply.

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For now, I have commitments elsewhere, so I'll leave it at that.

herev · 04-30-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ciborium

Then you've made your choice, and are to be at least admired for sticking by your friend.

I simply was taking herev up on his initial plea for forgiveness, and I think I'm a fair judge of knowing when I've been purposefully wronged by someone. I also think I'm a fair judge of following the facts of what I've intimately been invoved with and personally witnessed. Sure, there's room for a better appraisal by an all-seeing source, but even coerced harm is harm. I've never asserted that others were not involved and complicit in the harm.

in this case, you err. I was not involved in the investigation that SOMEONE ELSE did on you after a tip. I was not involved (directly, though I did have some discussion with the person) with taking that to exec. I was not involved in exec's decision to temporarily remove you, I was not the one who decided on the method of discussing it with you on msn. I was not the one who decided it was finally time to give up and not call your suspension temporary. I was not the one, kib. You have publicly accused me of manuvering myself onto ET for the purpose of getting you canned. in fact, when the discussion first began of my moving out of support, you WERE NOT EVEN ON STAFF YET. And when the discussion came up about ET, you were still a trainee moderator. You seem to believe that every move that anyone made was in some attempt to GET YOU. Well, I had plenty to do on CF without involving myself in that mess. You said those things malicously and they were not only false, they were outrageously false and easily disproved by those who are admins and knew what was going on behind the scenes.
If you genuinely believe that I would do all of that simply to get you--well, take it from a fellow professional counselor--you need help, dude.

ravenscape · 04-30-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanakila

Boy oh boy can I relate. There is a thread about ADHD in the lounge here btw.

I can't think of a thread I'd go further to avoid than one on ADHD. Even on health forums, they can be horrible. Like religion in overly mixed company, emotions just run too high. I'll be glad to discuss what worked and didn't work for us personally, but I'm done with ADHD online dramarama.

herev · 04-30-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ciborium

To ask such a thing is to confirm that you are now outside the loop of what has continued to take place. In this matter I have not lied nor made up a thing.

As I said, you have my forgiveness, even if you somehow have convinced yourself it may not apply.

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For now, I have commitments elsewhere, so I'll leave it at that.

ok, and I forgive you for being a liar, you can accept it or reject it too

herev · 04-30-2007, 11:33 AM

how should one respond hypothetically if someone were to say to them: "I forgive you for beating your wife."
if you accept their forgiveness, are you admitting that you beat your wife?
I am in a quandry, seriously

Stumpjumper · 04-30-2007, 11:39 AM

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if you accept their forgiveness, are you admitting that you beat your wife?
I am in a quandry, seriously

I don't know. I have never found you to be dishonest in any way so I certainly believe that kib has misunderstood this situation and I don't know if that is intentional or not.

Regardless, I would say that you can accept someone's forgiveness even if there is nothing to forgive. The action may be sincere and real even if the premise is failed...

seebs · 04-30-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by herev

how should one respond hypothetically if someone were to say to them: "I forgive you for beating your wife."
if you accept their forgiveness, are you admitting that you beat your wife?
I am in a quandry, seriously

I would assume that people forgiving me are forgiving me for things that they believe I did, which harmed them. I would be inclined to see it as making peace over a perceived injury, and I don't really see a problem with it.

I have to do this a lot, because people often take offense at things I do for no reason comprehensible to me.

Teshi · 04-30-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ravenscape

I agree with you to a large extent. Although extreme ODD is considered to be indicative of a predisposition toward sociopathic behaviors, it seems to me that ODD is a personality trait, one that can become pathological if parents and teachers don't know how to cope with it.

Kids with dyslexia are arguably suffering with a real and detectable difference in brain function, according to remediation experiments using SPECT scans to track how the brain activates while the child reads.

I wish you could see how having ADHD has affected Thing 1's life, though. He can't attend a mainstream high school. He would be a drop-out today if we hadn't found an alternative program for him. He's clinically depressed, and has been suicidal in the past. It's very hard to even write this paragraph.

Thing 2 excels despite his diagnoses, in large part because he's s stubborn cuss.

Thing 1's learning disabilities have had a profound effect on his academic career, and part of the reason is because he's not a stubborn cuss.

((((raven))))

I work with at-risk kids, and I would love to have parents and guardians around who are as attentive, observant and supportive as you are. Your kids are so lucky.

Mrs.Sidhe · 04-30-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ResidentMumbai

You know those FSTDT images that say "submitted by mjonesQuaker"? Heh. Those are mine. :angel:

Sweet!:notworthy:

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Ahhh...the "Evil Motherfucker of the Month" award! :devil:

Yeah....i hate to say this about people but luckily he's dead...so..

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And yeah, you can call me by my IRL name if ya spell it right. It's HaLLie, doncha know? :Cheeky:

Cool. You can call me by my name (I think I told you when we talked on AIM but I dunno...) its Erica

Teshi · 04-30-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GraceO'Malley

"When I came back to Dublin I was courtmartialed in my absence and sentenced to death in my absence, so I said they could shoot me in my absence."~Brendan Behan

:rolling:

Behan is one of those authors I've been intending to read for quite a while now. Time for a trip to the library!

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herev Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 930	how should one respond hypothetically if someone were to say to them: "I forgive you for beating your wife." if you accept their forgiveness, are you admitting that you beat your wife? I am in a quandry, seriously

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