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mikem · 04-06-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hallandale

Genesis 39:11
11Now it happened one day that he went into the house to do his work, and none of the men of the household was there inside.

Joseph was alone with Potiphar's wife. We all know what happened.

Yeah, he got to be second in command of Egypt didn't he?

Bring on the dancing girls!!

PhilosopherJay · 04-07-2006, 09:41 AM

Hi Jim W.,

Thanks for pointing this out. It is an important distinction that kissing on the lips can involve a tongue or not. I wonder if other people can find more evidence from ancient times related to the question of lip kissing and implied sexual activity.

Some early Christian communities exchanged a "kiss of peace", as a greeting, which was apparently on the mouth. See http://members.ozemail.com.au/~moorea/kiss.html

We may speculate on what was the relationship between the Mary-Jesus kiss and the kiss of peace. Was a Mary cult trying to explain the origin of the kiss of peace as coming from Mary and Jesus, or did the kiss of peace really originate with the Mary group.

It is difficult to put the two kissing on the mouth referents down to coincidence.

Warmly,
Philosopher Jay

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Originally Posted by jim_w

But it's not just kissing on the lips, is it? It seems rather kinkier than that...

Buster Daily · 04-07-2006, 10:34 AM

Well if the mysterious "Beloved" character in the John gospel is a man then I could posit that Jesus was gay as a goose (not that there's anything wrong with it) and could kiss the girls on the mouth at will...as well as shop together and hit the clubs and do all of the other intimate things that gals do with their gay pals.

PhilosopherJay · 04-07-2006, 03:50 PM

Hi Buster,

Actually, in my new book, The Evolution of Christs and Christianities (or via: amazon.co.uk)now available at Amazon.com and BarnesandNoble.com (with 20% discount), I propose that the writer of the gospel of John was gay. He didn't like the idea of Mary being the beloved disciple. He turned Jesus into a gay man like himself by implying that John was the beloved disciple. Apparently the tradition of Mary being the beloved disciple was so strong at the time that he never dares to openly come out and call John the beloved disciple, but he's obviously insinuating in that direction.

I suggest in the book that in the original betrayal scene, it was not John lying on Jesus' breast, but Jesus lying on Mary's breast. If this is correct, it is interesting that the writer didn't care about the obviously sexual nature of the contact, but only the heterosexuality involved. That is what he changed.

Warmly,

Philosopher Jay

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Originally Posted by Buster Daily

Well if the mysterious "Beloved" character in the John gospel is a man then I could posit that Jesus was gay as a goose (not that there's anything wrong with it) and could kiss the girls on the mouth at will...as well as shop together and hit the clubs and do all of the other intimate things that gals do with their gay pals.

Buster Daily · 04-09-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilosopherJay

Actually, in my new book, The Evolution of Christs and Christianities now available at Amazon.com and BarnesandNoble.com (with 20% discount), I propose that the writer of the gospel of John was gay. He didn't like the idea of Mary being the beloved disciple. He turned Jesus into a gay man like himself by implying that John was the beloved disciple. Apparently the tradition of Mary being the beloved disciple was so strong at the time that he never dares to openly come out and call John the beloved disciple, but he's obviously insinuating in that direction.

I suggest in the book that in the original betrayal scene, it was not John lying on Jesus' breast, but Jesus lying on Mary's breast. If this is correct, it is interesting that the writer didn't care about the obviously sexual nature of the contact, but only the heterosexuality involved. That is what he changed.

Wow. I'm not buying it (the theory but NOT the book), but it is certainly consistent and I'm hella open minded. Thanks.

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Buster Daily Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 119	Well if the mysterious "Beloved" character in the John gospel is a man then I could posit that Jesus was gay as a goose (not that there's anything wrong with it) and could kiss the girls on the mouth at will...as well as shop together and hit the clubs and do all of the other intimate things that gals do with their gay pals.

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