rodluvan

So infact there was only one (1) eyewitness to the alleged 500 eyewitnesses? Wooho, that's pretty damn impressive!
Guess what? I saw 2 billion people witnessing the rebirth of Bob the Village Idiot yesterday and I'll get right on making that claim in a book called the Fall and rise of the Village Idiot Bob (Frovib), right this instance. Holly caramba, where will gullible folks like you be in 2000 years?



I'd say mental hospitals are filled with people making that claim. It doesn't make it so. And I'm not terrible supriced that "early church writings" agree with that. Early Frovit-writings will collaborate with my story as well, rest assured.

:notworthy


I really love your need for hard facts to establish some sort of belief system on. Hear-saying is far better than citing and giving reference to a proper study, right? You do understand that this claim amont to exactly zip outside your christian community where people often has the ability to question authoritys such as a your priest. And still, even if 99% of "scientists" (in what field anyway) question evolution that wouldn't change a thing if they didn't have a clue what is was all about! 104,5% (they weren't that into math either in general) believed in the flat earth a a few hundred years ago. Is the Earth flat (I might point out that this was meant to be a retorical question and that the anwser is 'no')?
Anyway, do really "50%, maybe more, maybe less" question evolution??? Or do you mean that they question Darwins theory of evolution (survival of the fittest)? That's not quite the same thing you see. anyway how do they and you account for insects growing immune against pesticide and mutation in genes that renders deformities in new born babys just to name two that are common knowledge (even you might have heard of them)?
Did Gaws do it?

It's funny that you can see the alleged falts and errors in everyone else but you can't see them in an organisation which drives on dogmatic belief and the blind trust in God. Especially since the competing philosophy, science, is all about questioning things and making objective statements. DO YOU NOT SEE THIS???

Neither were you, so the burden of proof lies on... guess who.


That's the most sense you've made all day. Faith is a subjective thing. It can not be proven or disproven, but don't let your faith, which is based on nothing other than an inner conviction/a feeling/you name it, swell over into the real world. I've said it before and I'll say it again, science is science and faith is faith. There is no overlap and should remain that way for the good of both. Science is all about objective knowledge, faith is subjecive conviction, how can those two ever interact in a sound and meaningful way?


And you believe this but not Darwins theory of evolution. For every alleged hole you can poke in named theory there are 59 holes in your theory and all you have to back your story up with is:
1. Alleged eyewitnesses.
2. A book which states that such eyewitnessese existed.

May I ask you, four things:
1. Have you ever been a non believer or were you raised with it?
2. If you were a non believer, did you then have any scientific knowledge?
3. Have you now or in any other point in time had any mental disorder?
4. What is this -> all about in the end of every post you write? Are you being apologetic?

Sparrow

I'm beginning to believe that this thread is proof of the existence of parallel universes. In this case, intersecting via IIDB. If I only had the discipline to look away from train wrecks.

Amaleq13

Discussions about evolution belong in the E/C forum. Please stick to BC&H topics here.

Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

John A. Broussard

Thank you for calling my attention to the absence of the word "actually." It most certainly isn't there. Nor is the word "apparently."

So the sun didn't stand still. It just "appeared" to stand still, though the verse doesn't say that.

Wouldn't the verse have been clearer and unambiguous then if it had read as you assert:

JOSHUA10:13 And the sun [appeared to stand] still, and the moon [appeared to stay], until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun [appeared to stand] still in the midst of heaven, and [appeared to] not to go down about a whole day.

???

Since you are saying that that is what happened, shouldn't the bible have said so instead of giving the impression that the sun actually did stand still when it wasn't moving in the first place?

Now, many, many Christians (some in this forum) have--unlike you--been misled by the verse and believe that the sun didn't merely appear to stand still but that it did stand still.

If the verse had had the correct phrasing you indicate, then all that confusion would have been avoided. Right?

I again look forward to your answers.

aChristian

I already answered this. You are reading into the text what is not there. It is not confusing. The only reason that you might be confused is because you refuse to accept the obvious. It is also obvious that you understood my point from your response the first time I mentioned the normal use of the word 'sunset'. You just want to believe there is a mistake, even though you see the sound reasoning in my answer and have no valid response.

Terrible Heresy

Oh look, we have a person living in a glass house throwing stones.

Or is there another reason you came to this board, answered John(despite that he posted after me), didn't respond to my points, and then left the board?

I have been told to keep this on topic, so here goes.....

1. Admit you are wrong about your assertation that "50% of scientists question evolution". Do that here, on this thread, or take up my challenge, and we'll both spend the time to go get our numbers, and lets see who is right, and who is full of crap.

2. Since your other claims are more subjective and need to be debated in depth, I suggest you make a thread in the Evolution Lobby, and lets see how your claims hold up. Just a reminder....

So basically just claim that the scientific community as a whole(which is pre-dominately theist) is propping up evolution with a widespread conspiracy to lie, coverup, and belittle it's opponents.

aChristian

You will have to refrain from profanity if you want me to read your responses.

John A. Broussard

You didn't answer my question before, you haven't answered it now.

Doesn't:

JOSHUA10:13 And the sun [appeared to stand] still, and the moon [appeared to stay], until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun [appeared to stand] still in the midst of heaven, and [appeared] not to go down about a whole day.

accurately describe what happened that day?

If, "yes," then we can move on to something more substantive.

If "no," then please explain why it doesn't accurately describe what happened that day.

I look forward to your answer.

Terrible Heresy

Yeah, right...whatever. I guess that's why you ignored my last post as well

I'll make you a deal. I'll try to watch my language if you refrain from posting such rediculously wrong crap. I wanted to make it clear just how rediculous your claim was. Period.

Your claim that 50% of scientists question evolution is roughly equivilent to me saying that "Only 5% of the world is Christian".

Seriously, not only is it wrong, it's insanely, insultingly wrong, and one wonders how someone could be so wrong with thier numbers without being totally ignorant of the subject.

So, again.....

dbarmstrong

Mark is generally accepted as being written before any of the Pualine epsitles