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mopc · 06-01-2007, 11:46 AM

(from the link)

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If one observes a map and reads the names backwards, he sees that Suez = Zeus, and this was the strip of land connecting Asia and Africa

Ah so you spell words BACKWARDS even if in random transliterations with no regard for phonetics, YOU PROVE STUFF!!! Revolutionary!

Toto · 06-01-2007, 11:56 AM

Hmmm...

Wikipedia dumped an article on Yehuda for lack of academic value.

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The article written about him was deleted because he was deemed "fringy" and "non-notable". Yet, Joseph E. Yahuda spent 30 years of his life researching languages and though he is not an officially recognized linguist, his academic contributions should nonetheless be known to people.

Here is the link from the deletion log:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...seph_E._Yahuda

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Joseph Ezekiel Yahuda (born on July 29, 1900 in Jerusalem and died in 1995 in Westcott, Surrey, England) was a British lawyer, freelance author and self-styled linguist. He was the son of Isaac Benjamin Ezekiel Yahuda, a longtime researcher and linguist. In 1982, he published a book entitled ''Hebrew is Greek, Greek is Hebrew'', in which he proposed the theory that the Hebrew and Arabic languages are Greek in origin. . .

{posted by Deucalionite}

The only other thing I have to add is that this reminds me of the scene in My Big Fat Greek Wedding where Nia Vardalos' father shows that any English word can be derived from Greek, including "Kimono".

spin · 06-01-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nomoremyths

For a very long time, I'd been suspecting that Jewish "religious" beliefs were copied from earlier sources (not Jewish, of course!). I've read great part of the Talmud and it's unbelievable the amount of mythology that it contains. I was doing a research online on "The Jewish Orphics" and came across with the following article, which I found very interesting:

An article by linguist Konstantinos Efstathios-Georganas, based on the groundbreaking book: Hebrew is Greek, by Joseph Yahuda, LL.B., whereby he seeks to prove that not only are Hebrew words Greek in origin, but that various symbols, internationally recognized as being Hebrew, are also Greek.

Linguist and researcher J. Yahuda, the author of "Hebrew is Greek," manages to prove with scientific accuracy that both Hebrew and Arabic are Greek in origin. This revelation broke a three thousand-year-old misconception. Having great knowledge of Hebrew, Arabic, French and English, as well as knowing the Old Testament and half the Koran by heart, Jahuda studied the translation of the Septuagint and Homer. He made a detailed comparison of these languages over the course of 30 years. He then published his book in 1982. The work of J. Yahuda, which has been analyzed by Davlos in the past, documents the Greekness of the Hebrew language. Realizing the importance of his discovery, Yahuda has worked hard to elevate his people by attempting to prove a relationship with the Greeks. He convincingly demonstrates that 90% of all Hebrew and Arabic words are Greek, and, had he continued his research, would have proved this for 100% of the language.. Not only are the words Greek, but the various symbols that are internationally recognized as Hebrew, are, according to this well-documented study, also Greek.

The rest of this article can be found here

nomoremyths · 06-02-2007, 07:18 AM

Spin
Thanks for the explanation/clarification you made about Semitic languages, etc.

Toto
Thanks for the wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...seph_E._Yahuda

Regards

lpetrich · 06-03-2007, 02:25 AM

One can also do comparisons of grammar, especially word morphology, and one can easily recognize the closer families like Germanic, Slavic, etc., as well as some of the larger ones like Indo-European. One can also recognize the Semitic family, which Hebrew and Arabic are in -- and conclude that it is not Indo-European.

And the resemblance becomes stronger the farther back one looks.

Vocabulary may not seem like a good way of working out genetic relationships, as they are called, because speakers of many languages are often willing to borrow large amounts of vocabulary from other languages, despite the best efforts of certain linguistic purists. Syntactical patterns may sometimes be borrowed also.

But the more basic sort of vocabulary is less often borrowed, and morphology is seldom borrowed. "Latin plurals" of certain words are treated grammatically as irregular English plurals.

Weltall · 06-03-2007, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

The only other thing I have to add is that this reminds me of the scene in My Big Fat Greek Wedding where Nia Vardalos' father shows that any English word can be derived from Greek, including "Kimono".

I loved his character, though probably not for the reason the rest of my family did. Gotta admit though, the end where he somehow manages to make an apples and oranges comparison was touching.

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Originally Posted by torquemada

Hebrew is really Chinese.

Don't joke about that. We had a poster once who insisted that there was Hebrew writing on the Yata no Kagami.

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06-02-2007, 07:18 AM	#14
nomoremyths Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 11	Spin Thanks for the explanation/clarification you made about Semitic languages, etc. Toto Thanks for the wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...seph_E._Yahuda Regards

06-03-2007, 02:25 AM	#15
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	One can also do comparisons of grammar, especially word morphology, and one can easily recognize the closer families like Germanic, Slavic, etc., as well as some of the larger ones like Indo-European. One can also recognize the Semitic family, which Hebrew and Arabic are in -- and conclude that it is not Indo-European. And the resemblance becomes stronger the farther back one looks. Vocabulary may not seem like a good way of working out genetic relationships, as they are called, because speakers of many languages are often willing to borrow large amounts of vocabulary from other languages, despite the best efforts of certain linguistic purists. Syntactical patterns may sometimes be borrowed also. But the more basic sort of vocabulary is less often borrowed, and morphology is seldom borrowed. "Latin plurals" of certain words are treated grammatically as irregular English plurals.

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