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Sheshbazzar · 02-04-2013, 10:42 PM

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Perhaps one day I will be lucky enough to see you all formally tear up the history books.

Nah. Isn't it supposed to be the Jewish Messiah will come, and burn baby burn.

You know, if it so bad for you to have to rub shoulders with us lowbrows on this Forum genius, you could pack up your ass and take it back to your favorite mental Institution and your beloved cronies. I'm sure they will pat you on the back and give you your needed meds ego boost every day.

aa5874 · 02-04-2013, 11:14 PM

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Philo says they were Jews?? where is that?? What imagination you have!!!

Yes what an imagination every scholar who has studied in a reputable university and I share. But the men of real enlightenment and sensibility are of course found right here in this thread. How lucky are those who might stumble upon this treasure trove of information and enlightened discourse. Perhaps one day I will be lucky enough to see you all formally tear up the history books.

Every scholar?? Please, this is not Sunday School.

I asked you for evidence--not logical fallacies. Please provide the passage in 'VC' that you and "every scholar" share??

Share it with us!!! You can't find it?? Someone must have torn it up!!!

stephan huller · 02-04-2013, 11:14 PM

I see. It's 'Sunday School' when people of above average intelligence and the ability to read Philo in his original language come to a unanimous conclusion about the Therapeutae. They are all on one side of the scale and then all the rest of you with your silly theories - none agreeing with the other save only to hate those more skilled and better read - agree to disagree them. It must all be a conspiracy. Either that or the distinction between smart people and dumb people.

stephan huller · 02-04-2013, 11:26 PM

And let's ask little Shesh what his opinion is on the subject. Oh no, I already know. The Therapeutae can't be Jews because they spoke Greek.

Sheshbazzar · 02-04-2013, 11:34 PM

Unfortunately we are not discussing this matter with those 'people of above average intelligence'. We are stuck with you and your one sided opinions presented in about as an arrogant and pompous matter as an 8th century Pope.
You like to drag out the History books. As though we don't know that those 'history' books were written or sponsored by the murderers and victors of the past and are biased and filled with loads of distorted propaganda, and lying horse shit. Just because something is written in some god damned ancient text does not make it fact no matter how many 'scholars' to pass their exams and please their mentors have been seduced into reciting the crap.

Sheshbazzar · 02-04-2013, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

And let's ask little Shesh what his opinion is on the subject. Oh no, I already know. The Therapeutae can't be Jews because they spoke Greek.

You really want to know my opinion on the subject? You are not going to like it.

stephan huller · 02-05-2013, 12:09 AM

I'd love to hear how Jews can't be Jews once they learn to speak another language.

Robert Tulip · 02-05-2013, 01:21 AM

Stephan, it seems your Jewish heritage makes you emotional about this topic. You want to insist the Therapeuts were exclusively Jewish, even though no evidence supports this contention, and that they did not include non-Jews, even though Philo says they were 'the best from everywhere'.

If you consider the analogy of assimilated modern Jews, the Therapeuts may well have encouraged mingling of Jews and non-Jews. In view of their contemplative morality, such inclusion seems inevitable, with entry based on merit rather than blood.

And yet you are arguing here for a Jewish exclusivism, a rebuffing of non-Jews from among the ranks of the Therapeuts. You have no evidence for this rebuffing.

Sheshbazzar · 02-05-2013, 01:29 AM

Hellenistic Jewish religious syncretism. Philo wallows in it and reeks of it like a shit covered Greek pig.

Clivedurdle · 02-05-2013, 04:59 AM

Why this putting together syncretism and shit?

Is it not obvious that ideas always influence one another, interact, change each other? Is this not very specialist co-evolution in the area of ideas and beliefs?

There seems to be an assumption here of either or, Greek, Jewish.

I would argue that Buddhist ideas were strongly influenced by the Greeks - have not some statues just been blown up in Afghanistan, are there not Roman remains in China?

What is the Silk Road about?

What is this assumption that Alexandria persecuted Jews? It wasn't, it was a Greek cosmopolitan city, with a clear Jewish quarter.

I don't know why, but there seems to be a tendency to underplay Greek influence. I repeat the complex on Kos is huge.

Archimedes had worked out calculus. The Antikythera Mechanism?

And why Judaism is seen as special I do not know, many of its ideas are Zarathustran, their priestly behaviour is a direct import from Persian habits.

Arguably Darius formalised the concept of the One True God, the Most High, as a political, imperial tool.

Seeing Judaism as special is an idea invented by themselves, that they are in touch with the true god. Hellenistic Jews are only doing what people like sea of faith do now.

And I do not understand why anyone is actually stating Theraputae were not healers!

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02-04-2013, 11:14 PM	#563
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I see. It's 'Sunday School' when people of above average intelligence and the ability to read Philo in his original language come to a unanimous conclusion about the Therapeutae. They are all on one side of the scale and then all the rest of you with your silly theories - none agreeing with the other save only to hate those more skilled and better read - agree to disagree them. It must all be a conspiracy. Either that or the distinction between smart people and dumb people.

02-04-2013, 11:26 PM	#564
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	And let's ask little Shesh what his opinion is on the subject. Oh no, I already know. The Therapeutae can't be Jews because they spoke Greek.

02-04-2013, 11:34 PM	#565
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Unfortunately we are not discussing this matter with those 'people of above average intelligence'. We are stuck with you and your one sided opinions presented in about as an arrogant and pompous matter as an 8th century Pope. You like to drag out the History books. As though we don't know that those 'history' books were written or sponsored by the murderers and victors of the past and are biased and filled with loads of distorted propaganda, and lying horse shit. Just because something is written in some god damned ancient text does not make it fact no matter how many 'scholars' to pass their exams and please their mentors have been seduced into reciting the crap.

02-05-2013, 12:09 AM	#567
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I'd love to hear how Jews can't be Jews once they learn to speak another language.

02-05-2013, 01:21 AM	#568
Robert Tulip Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 635	Stephan, it seems your Jewish heritage makes you emotional about this topic. You want to insist the Therapeuts were exclusively Jewish, even though no evidence supports this contention, and that they did not include non-Jews, even though Philo says they were 'the best from everywhere'. If you consider the analogy of assimilated modern Jews, the Therapeuts may well have encouraged mingling of Jews and non-Jews. In view of their contemplative morality, such inclusion seems inevitable, with entry based on merit rather than blood. And yet you are arguing here for a Jewish exclusivism, a rebuffing of non-Jews from among the ranks of the Therapeuts. You have no evidence for this rebuffing.

02-05-2013, 01:29 AM	#569
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Hellenistic Jewish religious syncretism. Philo wallows in it and reeks of it like a shit covered Greek pig.

02-05-2013, 04:59 AM	#570
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	Why this putting together syncretism and shit? Is it not obvious that ideas always influence one another, interact, change each other? Is this not very specialist co-evolution in the area of ideas and beliefs? There seems to be an assumption here of either or, Greek, Jewish. I would argue that Buddhist ideas were strongly influenced by the Greeks - have not some statues just been blown up in Afghanistan, are there not Roman remains in China? What is the Silk Road about? What is this assumption that Alexandria persecuted Jews? It wasn't, it was a Greek cosmopolitan city, with a clear Jewish quarter. I don't know why, but there seems to be a tendency to underplay Greek influence. I repeat the complex on Kos is huge. Archimedes had worked out calculus. The Antikythera Mechanism? And why Judaism is seen as special I do not know, many of its ideas are Zarathustran, their priestly behaviour is a direct import from Persian habits. Arguably Darius formalised the concept of the One True God, the Most High, as a political, imperial tool. Seeing Judaism as special is an idea invented by themselves, that they are in touch with the true god. Hellenistic Jews are only doing what people like sea of faith do now. And I do not understand why anyone is actually stating Theraputae were not healers!

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