DCHindley

If Ben C Smith, one of the best posters here in years past, had only done so (use the ignore function, or at least resisted the urge to respond to nonsense posts), he might well still be with us here today.

DCH

aa5874

NO-ONE can show that the Paul character wrote a single letter to a church BEFORE the Fall of the Temple c 70 CE.

NO-ONE can show that the author of gMatthew was AWARE of the Pauline writer.

No-one--not even Doherty.

All the books in the NT Canon were composed AFTER the Fall of the Temple c 70 CE.

Bernard Muller

That's an easy one:
Rom 15:25 "But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints 40."
Rom 15:26 "For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem."
1Cr 16:3 "And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by [your] letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem."
If Paul was writing these letters after Jerusalem destruction, why would he plan to go there, and why the saints in Jerusalem would still inhabit the city?

aa5874

You have NOT answered the question, "Where did Paul claim he wrote any letter to churches BEFORE c 70 CE?

You stated the question was easy yet you have UTTERLY failed to show where PAUL claimed he wrote letters to the churches Before c 70 CE.

Amazingly, Remarkably, the Pauline writer in 1 Cor.16 has claimed that the Corinthian church wrote LETTERS but no author claimed Paul wrote any letters to Churches before the Fall of the Temple c 70 CE.

Bernard Muller

And for good cause: gMatthew is very Jewish. In no uncertain terms, "Matthew" asked for full adherence to the Law of Moses:
Mat 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil"
Mat 5:18 "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
Mat 5:19 "Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;"

And he was not keen about Gentiles, considered as dogs, just allowed to eat the crumbs below the table:
Mat 15:22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and cried, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon."
Mat 15:23 But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying after us."
Mat 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Mat 15:25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me."
Mat 15:26 And he answered, "It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."
Mat 15:27 She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

See also:
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans,"

That was directly against what Paul was preaching to Jews and Gentiles: no need to follow the Law, and Jews and Gentiles are equal in the Christian church.
So no one should be surprised if "Matthew" was not fond of Paul and his epistles.
However if you go to gJohn, there is a lot of Pauline Christology in it.

Bernard Muller

The question has been answered: Paul wrote Romans and 1Corinthians before Jerusalem was destroyed.
And how could Paul mentioned something about Jerusalem destruction if it did not happen yet?

Bernard Muller

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Bernard Muller

to aa,
If you want to know if Paul said he wrote before a letter other than the one he is writing, here is some evidence:
1Cr 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men; (note: the same 1Corinthians indicated Jerusalem was not destroyed then)
2Cr 7:8 For even if I made you sorry with my letter, I do not regret it (though I did regret it), for I see that that letter grieved you, though only for a while.
AND
General comment,
2Cr 10:11 Let such people understand that what we say by letter when absent, we do when present.
AND
reference to the letter Paul is writing:
1Th 5:27 I adjure you by the Lord that this letter be read to all the brethren.

Vorkosigan

Bernard, Jerusalem wasn't destroyed. After the end of the revolt, the city was badly damaged but still livable; there were still Jews there. Hence references to the community in Jerusalem cannot date Paul's letters.

Vorkosigan