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post tenebras lux · 04-25-2007, 08:44 AM

I notice that KeithJM has posted over there and asked "What exactly is faith?".

If people were wanting an insight into Peter's thinking they might find his answer interesting. It starts: "Whatever faith is, it is not the simplistic "belief without sufficient evidence" definition bandied about by enemies of faith."

RED DAVE · 04-25-2007, 08:50 AM

From Peter Kirby:

Quote:

Theological faith is the human capacity, by the grace of God, to trust the Creator--to trust God to provide, to heal, to sustain, to forgive, and in all ways to be God.

http://uberchristians.org/vb/showthr...=8453#post8453

If this is the neighborhood where he's pitched his tent, well ... .

RED DAVE

Toto · 04-25-2007, 08:53 AM

It's not pathetic, it's entirely human.

RED DAVE · 04-25-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

It's not pathetic, it's entirely human.

Sometimes we humans, and I include myself at the top of the list, can be pretty pathetic.

RED DAVE

No Robots · 04-25-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

In many ways, I feel a lot better about this turn in Peter's life than the idea that he would spend 3 hours a day playing video games because that's all there is.

Peter now seems to be calling himself a Catholic Naturalist - more here.

I'm not sure if this is the same as a Catholic Atheist (if there can be Jewish Atheists, or Humanistic Jews, why not Catholic Atheists?)

Hey, why aren't you sneering about his liberal Enlightenment refusal to swallow the whole magic mumbo-jumbo? Where's Charlotte Allen when you need her?

Toto · 04-25-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted Hoffman

Is the following Logo consistent with Christian beliefs?
JESUS IS FOR LOSERS?

Christian Rock Song Lyrics from Squint (or via: amazon.co.uk)

Ted Turner said that Christianity is for losers, and Christians took the slogan and embraced it.

Jayrok · 04-25-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayrok

Maybe he had a revelation and is now a christian...

I didn't think this would actually happen, but anything's possible.

Who will be next... Earl Doherty... Bart Erhman? Dan Barker?

Clivedurdle · 04-25-2007, 10:30 AM

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Theological faith is the human capacity, by the grace of God, to trust the Creator--to trust God to provide, to heal, to sustain, to forgive, and in all ways to be God.

There is some competition about that! Delete the god concept and that is the aim of humanistic psychotherapy!

http://www.ahpweb.org/aboutahp/whatis.html

No Robots · 04-25-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

There is some competition about that! Delete the god concept and that is the aim of humanistic psychotherapy!

http://www.ahpweb.org/aboutahp/whatis.html

What about the "spirit" concept? From your link:

Core Values AHP members are linked to each other by a shared set of values:

an appreciation of the spiritual and intuitive.

Johann_Kaspar · 04-25-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ted Hoffman

Is the following Logo consistent with Christian beliefs?
JESUS IS FOR LOSERS?

Yes. And you should rather try to understand the other title, which is the main title. It stinks.

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04-25-2007, 08:44 AM	#61
post tenebras lux Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Republic and Canton of Geneva Posts: 5,756	I notice that KeithJM has posted over there and asked "What exactly is faith?". If people were wanting an insight into Peter's thinking they might find his answer interesting. It starts: "Whatever faith is, it is not the simplistic "belief without sufficient evidence" definition bandied about by enemies of faith."

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	It's not pathetic, it's entirely human.

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