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Toto · 09-26-2009, 01:32 AM

OK, comic man. What is your preferred answer and how do you justify it? Have you written a paper and submitted it for peer review?

JABcomix · 09-26-2009, 01:44 AM

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OK, comic man. What is your preferred answer and how do you justify it? Have you written a paper and submitted it for peer review?

Fail.

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dog-on · 09-26-2009, 01:56 AM

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15Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.

Anything else would simply be your own fantasy.

Goodnight genius...

JABcomix · 09-26-2009, 02:37 AM

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15Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.

Anything else would simply be your own fantasy.

Goodnight genius...

Fail.:wave:

How long did it take you to google that?

DrZoidberg · 09-26-2009, 02:58 AM

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For more than one hundred years, scholars of the Historical Jesus have been studying, inter alia, why Jesus was killed?

What is the consensus mainstream view on why Jesus was killed?

First off, lets not talk about Jesus, but the ideas attributed to Jesus in the Bible. Those were "killed". If they were held by a specific man or not is an entirely different debate.

Back at 0 AD there was no difference between religion and politics, and political opponents were always killed. So it really shouldn't surprise anybody that Jesus or people who held those ideas were killed. Anything that could threaten the status quo was crushed. Just standard procedure.

Susan2 · 09-26-2009, 06:00 AM

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I would think that he was giving them an opportunity to redeem themselves, but I hardly think that they would get that they are like the very Jews that they accuse; do any of us?

It reminds me of the story of the little boy who had two fish (parents) and five loaves of bread (siblings) that fed the hungry multitudes.

Jesus called the little boy forward to share his food (family/story). Does the reader think to ask, “who is this little boy”, and if they do, what has their religion/culture/society told them?

Who is this little boy?

Sharks swim.

By the time the frenzied multitude has chewed it over, there are twelve baskets of fragments, of flesh and bone, gathered from the blood soaked ground.

Did the boy murder the family, or did the multitude? Did the high priest, and if so which one? Did Pilate (secular government), and if so which one? Were atheists in the multitude?

All for one, and one for all? The way we were, or the way we are?

In my mothers womb, you conceived me.

We are conceived in our mothers womb even before our mother exists to have a womb. We are conceived in our fathers mind, even before our fathers exist to have a mind.

Yom Kippur is coming up; maybe we can turn the story around. Maybe we could join the Jews in reflection and sorrow. Maybe we could donate blood, rather then spill it.

I was following along then I lost you in your rambling. I give you a C- for at least trying.

Obviously, you got the point of my story.

I heard your ouch all the way from here.

I done been promoted to an A.

dog-on · 09-26-2009, 06:19 AM

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Anything else would simply be your own fantasy.

Goodnight genius...

Fail.:wave:

How long did it take you to google that?

Probably less time than it would take you to make up your fantasy solution.

JABcomix · 09-26-2009, 06:20 AM

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I was following along then I lost you in your rambling. I give you a C- for at least trying.

Obviously, you got the point of my story.

I heard your ouch all the way from here.

I done been promoted to an A.

No, you're still at a C- . Those are still ramblings. Besides, you never fully describe why would Pilate give them the opportunity to "Redeem" themselves? That's why I gave you a C-. You never really got into the head of Pilate. The challenge still remains. So far the best that this motley crew can come up with is a C- student. :down:

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Doug Shaver · 09-26-2009, 06:34 AM

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In the context of the story written in the bible, despite whether or not you think it's true, objectively put forward your thoughts as to WHY Pilate would do such a thing as to give the Jewish people a choice when he had the authority all along to just kill both Jesus and Barabbas.

The author wrote the story that way to make the Jews look bad. As the author tells it, Pilate considered Jesus an innocent man, but he didn't have the cojones to defy the Jewish mob, which would not be appeased by anything except Jesus' death.

JABcomix · 09-26-2009, 07:08 AM

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In the context of the story written in the bible, despite whether or not you think it's true, objectively put forward your thoughts as to WHY Pilate would do such a thing as to give the Jewish people a choice when he had the authority all along to just kill both Jesus and Barabbas.

The author wrote the story that way to make the Jews look bad. As the author tells it, Pilate considered Jesus an innocent man, but he didn't have the cojones to defy the Jewish mob, which would not be appeased by anything except Jesus' death.

C-. You're getting into the author's head and his motive. Also, you didn't address why he would let the "Jewish mob" choose between Jesus and Barabbas? Although, you do admit that in the context of the story, Pilate thinks of Jesus innocent. Maybe I should raise your grade up to a B. :constern01:

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