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Old 04-30-2007, 09:55 AM   #901
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Color me unsurprised. http://www.christianforums.com/showt...3#post34366923

Now, will Exec demand more? I hope to be colored surprised.
Public appeals are interesting this morning. Look at this one, too, since I fear it may disappear:

http://www.christianforums.com/t5270...-deletion.html
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Old 04-30-2007, 09:59 AM   #902
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Please do not take this as a persoanl attack .... these deficit disorders seem to be a specific, or prevalently, American thing!

As soon as a child does not behave as the "norm" demands - BOOM; it has some sort of disorder! Give him/her some pills and voila!

Your kid has bad grades at school? - BOOM, it has a desease!
SYour kid is unsociable? - BOOM; lable it with some diability!

I'm so sick of these superficial easy ways out!
I agree with you to a large extent. Although extreme ODD is considered to be indicative of a predisposition toward sociopathic behaviors, it seems to me that ODD is a personality trait, one that can become pathological if parents and teachers don't know how to cope with it.

Kids with dyslexia are arguably suffering with a real and detectable difference in brain function, according to remediation experiments using SPECT scans to track how the brain activates while the child reads.

I wish you could see how having ADHD has affected Thing 1's life, though. He can't attend a mainstream high school. He would be a drop-out today if we hadn't found an alternative program for him. He's clinically depressed, and has been suicidal in the past. It's very hard to even write this paragraph.

Thing 2 excels despite his diagnoses, in large part because he's s stubborn cuss.

Thing 1's learning disabilities have had a profound effect on his academic career, and part of the reason is because he's not a stubborn cuss.
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Old 04-30-2007, 10:03 AM   #903
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Actually, it's quite a tribute to LeGuin's skill as an author that she seems to present only 2 alternatives--one can acquiesce to the treatment of the child in the closet, or one can walk away--to the point that so many here appear to buy into this metaphor with only 2 choices. I wonder what would happen to Omelas if someone WERE kind to the child, however; it's a good questionand interesting to discuss in the context of the story. Would all the glory of Omelas come tumbling down? Are those who walk away complicit in that they don't wish to destroy Omelas even as they give up its benefits for themselves?

CF isn't Omelas and IRL we aren't bound by constraints of this particular magical spell, and you're quite right to point it out.
In 1000 words, LeGuin couldn't explain why there was no other possibility. After trying every other action I can imagine, and having them all fail, I can explain why there seems to be no other possibility at CF.
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It makes perfect sense to me. A member asks why her post was deleted by a moderator, possibly Michelina but obviously (there being no contact or no explanation) which one is unknown. No explanation. A discretionary appeal is filed and accepted. Nobody takes any action. That is pressed, the pressing of it is closed, another appeal is made, and the Execs start whining about how busy they are. Maybe if they fucking did their job, which every principle of leadership suggests is to make sure the people working under them do their jobs right, they wouldn't be so busy. And now, the stonewall is that a discretionary appeal is not an appeal as of right.

God! If someone asks for information, and it's determined to stonewall the answer, just say so. If someone asks for mercy (discretion) and it's granted, the excuse that they have no right to the mercy is a piss-poor one. Of course they don't; that's why it's mercy. Jeffrey would have been completely within his rights to deny a discretionary appeal. He is totally out to lunch in thinking that, having granted it, he can now say it's not an appeal as of right.

I have a new set of CF rules, that are more accurate:

1. You may post what we want to allow.
2. If you post something else, we'll edit or delete it.
3. What we feel like allowing is completely at our discretion.
4. We may tell you why we edited or deleted it, but don't count on it.
5. If we don't feel like doing so, you have no right to know.
6. Don't criticize us; we're in charge.
7. If you disagree with any of this, you're welcome to leave. Otherwise, see Rules 1-6 for your rights.
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Old 04-30-2007, 10:12 AM   #905
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You have my forgiveness, but I cannot accept your apology without better evidences of repentance. Were it not for your initialization of senseless brutal attacks, stalking, and violations of CF Rules and Protocols, I might still be in helpful mode among those in harm's way.
kib, while I appreciate your forgiveness, what you continue to accuse me of is flat out fiction. So get over yourself already.
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Old 04-30-2007, 10:12 AM   #906
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It makes perfect sense to me. A member asks why her post was deleted by a moderator, possibly Michelina but obviously (there being no contact or no explanation) which one is unknown. No explanation. A discretionary appeal is filed and accepted. Nobody takes any action. That is pressed, the pressing of it is closed, another appeal is made, and the Execs start whining about how busy they are. Maybe if they fucking did their job, which every principle of leadership suggests is to make sure the people working under them do their jobs right, they wouldn't be so busy. And now, the stonewall is that a discretionary appeal is not an appeal as of right.

God! If someone asks for information, and it's determined to stonewall the answer, just say so. If someone asks for mercy (discretion) and it's granted, the excuse that they have no right to the mercy is a piss-poor one. Of course they don't; that's why it's mercy. Jeffrey would have been completely within his rights to deny a discretionary appeal. He is totally out to lunch in thinking that, having granted it, he can now say it's not an appeal as of right.

I have a new set of CF rules, that are more accurate:

1. You may post what we want to allow.
2. If you post something else, we'll edit or delete it.
3. What we feel like allowing is completely at our discretion.
4. We may tell you why we edited or deleted it, but don't count on it.
5. If we don't feel like doing so, you have no right to know.
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Please do not take this as a persoanl attack .... these deficit disorders seem to be a specific, or prevalently, American thing!

As soon as a child does not behave as the "norm" demands - BOOM; it has some sort of disorder! Give him/her some pills and voila!

Your kid has bad grades at school? - BOOM, it has a desease!
SYour kid is unsociable? - BOOM; lable it with some diability!

I'm so sick of these superficial easy ways out!
How on earth can this not be taken as a personal attack?! This seems to me to be such an incredibly insensitive and inappropriate post. :huh: This relationship lab is quite strange to me.
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Old 04-30-2007, 10:14 AM   #908
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okay i just have to ask. i just cannot stand it anymore. cib why didn't you show up for the IM meeting? why? would not everything have come out then? what were you afraid of? why not have the meeting? and why not even admit to everyone else that such a meeting was asked for by the same ones you persecute? what are you hiding from?
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Old 04-30-2007, 10:15 AM   #909
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I have a new set of CF rules, that are more accurate:

1. You may post what we want to allow.
2. If you post something else, we'll edit or delete it.
3. What we feel like allowing is completely at our discretion.
4. We may tell you why we edited or deleted it, but don't count on it.
5. If we don't feel like doing so, you have no right to know.
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7. If you disagree with any of this, you're welcome to leave. Otherwise, see Rules 1-6 for your rights.
Those aren't new. Those are murron's rules.
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In 1000 words, LeGuin couldn't explain why there was no other possibility. After trying every other action I can imagine, and having them all fail, I can explain why there seems to be no other possibility at CF.
THere is no one on cf that is analogous to that child, that is where it breaks down.

In my experience, there are rarely only 2 choices.
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