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gypsey · 05-28-2007, 01:50 PM

where to start

umm too many to list for me so
the first page and every page thereafter

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tjakey · 05-28-2007, 03:55 PM

Judges Chapter 12 - a man murders his only daughter as a "burnt sacrifice" because of some half-assed promise he made to god - and the god doesn't step in and thump the idiot on the nose first?

Cheerful Charlie · 05-29-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Infideliation

Feel free to share yours...

People genuinely endeavor to get closer to God for the purpose of getting closer to God because he's God, the only thing worth getting closer to in the whole universe. The result:
From the horses mouth...
""And the Lord said, "The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.""

"After he drove man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

Either God is terribly afraid of being outcast if he engages in peer relationships or it is a really terrible thing to be like God, which begs the question on both points, "Why would we worship this being?"

So people still want to get closer to God for the purpose of getting closer to God... they build a tower in earnest (symbollic of doing something to get closer to God)...

""In seeing this God declares, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.""

Wow! People can actually achieve perfect goodness! Let's see what God does...

"Come let's go down and confuse their language so that they will not understand each other."

WTF!!! once for the God of the Bible
WTF!!! twice for those who see no problem whatsoever with these passages

Yes, this is also one of my biggest WTF parts of the OT. In the NT the fact that Jesus prophecies the end of the world (Matthew 24:3) and judgment day itself (Matthew 16:27-8 and Matthew 25), not 2000 years later, but in his times. In times of "this generation", "some standing here".

Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64 and Mark 14:62 tie all this to happen within the life time of the high priest at Jerusalem.

Cheerful Charlie

The Colourful Jester · 05-29-2007, 04:28 AM

Ezekiel verses 4-25.

Damned if I know. I've got to search for this on these forums. I'll do it now actually.

NFLP · 05-29-2007, 09:19 AM

The crowd waving palm fronds as Jesus rode into town on an ass. Turns out they waved palms because the concession stand was out of foam fingers.

Selsaral · 05-29-2007, 01:20 PM

I also say 'WTF' from the first sentence, but the parts that really get me are the NT parts about how belief is more important than anything else.

If one of the original writers had added at the end "P.S. This was written by men attempting to create a religion to control people and accumulate wealth and power in our hands" it would have been a less obvious mission statement than what actually appears in the NT.

Loomis · 05-30-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie

Yes, this is also one of my biggest WTF parts of the OT.

That's nothing.

My biggest WTF moment is Deuteronomy 32:8-9:

Quote:

When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,

When He divided up humanity,

He fixed the boundaries for peoples,

According to the number of the sons of El:

For Yahweh's portion is his people,

Jacob His own inheritance.

In this episode the god named El (El is called “Elyon” in the first line) is dividing up humanity among his 70 sons. It says Yahweh inherited the ‘tribe of Jacob’ from El because Yahweh was one of El’s sons.

In other words it says 'God' had a dad.

Chili · 05-30-2007, 04:54 AM

He also does in "the father and I are one" which is exactly how eternity is the continuity of infinity that hath no beginning except in time which in turn is an extrapolation of eternity that is destined to make infinity known.

xaxxat · 05-30-2007, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

He also does in "the father and I are one" which is exactly how eternity is the continuity of infinity that hath no beginning except in time which in turn is an extrapolation of eternity that is destined to make infinity known.

WTF?

Cheerful Charlie · 05-30-2007, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loomis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheerful Charlie

Yes, this is also one of my biggest WTF parts of the OT.

That's nothing.

My biggest WTF moment is Deuteronomy 32:8-9:

Quote:

When the Most High (Elyon) allotted peoples for inheritance,

When He divided up humanity,

He fixed the boundaries for peoples,

According to the number of the sons of El:

For Yahweh's portion is his people,

Jacob His own inheritance.

In this episode the god named El (El is called “Elyon” in the first line) is dividing up humanity among his 70 sons. It says Yahweh inherited the ‘tribe of Jacob’ from El because Yahweh was one of El’s sons.

In other words it says 'God' had a dad.

Good catch. I'll have to check this out carefully.

CC

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gypsey Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: georgia Posts: 84	where to start umm too many to list for me so the first page and every page thereafter gypsey

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tjakey Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,060	Judges Chapter 12 - a man murders his only daughter as a "burnt sacrifice" because of some half-assed promise he made to god - and the god doesn't step in and thump the idiot on the nose first?

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The Colourful Jester Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 626	Ezekiel verses 4-25. Damned if I know. I've got to search for this on these forums. I'll do it now actually.

05-29-2007, 09:19 AM	#105
NFLP Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Southeast Posts: 150	The crowd waving palm fronds as Jesus rode into town on an ass. Turns out they waved palms because the concession stand was out of foam fingers.

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Selsaral Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan Posts: 3,095	I also say 'WTF' from the first sentence, but the parts that really get me are the NT parts about how belief is more important than anything else. If one of the original writers had added at the end "P.S. This was written by men attempting to create a religion to control people and accumulate wealth and power in our hands" it would have been a less obvious mission statement than what actually appears in the NT.

05-30-2007, 04:54 AM	#108
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	He also does in "the father and I are one" which is exactly how eternity is the continuity of infinity that hath no beginning except in time which in turn is an extrapolation of eternity that is destined to make infinity known.

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