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TomboyMom · 12-27-2005, 09:58 PM

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glad you asked mountain man: the same reason DR. Anthony Flew didnt just walk away! There is a God shaped vacuum in the soul of every non believer and they will be compelled to seek God (even in their bipolar love-hate fixation against God) all their lives. That's why they are here monuntain man. Think about it...they are intelligent, intelligent people can easily make (without much risk) a couple hundred dollars a day in a few hours of day stock trading on the internet. MANY people I know make thousands of dollars a week doing this. If there really was no God and they were absolutely certain of this they wouldnt be here shadow boxing with a non-existant God. They will SAY it is because they fear the Christian right...but that is a paper tiger argument.... they will still be here when Hillary is president! and they know it. No, mountain man, the Holy Spirit compels them here...

Oh, I see, stating that we believe there is no God just proves how strongly we actually believe there is a God. Yeah, well I'm rubber and you're glue, and whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

TomboyMom · 12-27-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RUmike

Christ said that the law could be summed up in two commands: Love God and Love your neighbor.

So I don't need to believe in Jesus Christ? Thanks for straightening that out for me.

Mountain Man · 12-27-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mata leao

glad you asked mountain man: the same reason DR. Anthony Flew didnt just walk away! There is a God shaped vacuum in the soul of every non believer......

Actually, the vacuum is in the minds of believers.

Mountain Man · 12-27-2005, 10:11 PM

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I must be missing something as well. Why does someone who has 730 posts only now realize that he has absolutely no clue why the people he debates post here? Shouldn't you have cleared this up a long time ago?

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rhutchin · 12-28-2005, 05:21 AM

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Ingersoll does what many people have done who, pursuing thir own agenda, have appropriated those things which are said in the Bible to their purpose and not the purpose intended. This is done by citing selectively a verse here or a verse there and ignoring context or usually, just ignoring anything else that the Bible says, in order that they may justify their personal philosophy. ...

... The Bible is easily understood by those who will read it and not understood, or purposely misued, by those who read it only to justify themselves, as Ingersoll did.

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What is your agenda rhutchin? You had to undertake some "selective citing" efforts yourself to single out an unambiguous message of love from the Bible. You've had to minimize if not totally ignore the violence, hatred and ugliness that is such a big part of the Bible. Yet, you want us to believe that you are not taking your Biblical message out of context?

How is it that you have such a clear understanding? Do you understand the Bible better than Pat Robertson? Would you say that you understand the Bible better than the bishops and cardinals that administered the Inquisition? Or those that administered the witch burnings? Do you think that they have studied the New Testament? Do you think that these people understand the Bible and Christ's teachings? I'd venture to say that they have studied more and understand the Bible better than you ever will. And with their understanding they have found justification for their hateful and violent messages and actions.

I doubt that anyone understands the Bible. It certainly is not unambiguous. The Bible has been manipulated and sanitized to meet the user's purpose since its inception. Some use it to quell their fears (e.g. death), some to fuel their hopes (e.g. eternal life), some to justify their worldview, and some to give unquestioned authority to their agenda. You are nothing more than one in a long line who manipulate its meaning.

Your point that, “The Bible has been manipulated and sanitized to meet the user's purpose since its inception,�? is true. From such manipulation has come the Inquisition, witch burnings, wars, etc.

You can read the Bible for yourself. If I have manipulated its meaning, then you will be able to see that I have done so just as you will see how those who advanced their agendas through the Inquisition, witch burnings, wars, etc. also manipulated the Bible.

rhutchin · 12-28-2005, 05:24 AM

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While there is disagreement on some things in the Bible, there is agreement on major themes (that God exists and created the universe, interacted with the nation of Israel over many years, and provided a means of salvation through Jesus Christ).

John A. BroussardI would say that the Catholic view that the bible gives the pope "the keys to the kingdom" is a rather profound disagreement with the rest of Christianity.

Or do you feel that that interpretation is not over a "major theme?"

Thank you.

I guess it depends on what it means for the Pope to have "the keys to the kingdom." What does that mean?

rhutchin · 12-28-2005, 05:29 AM

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rhutchin
Christ said that the law could be summed up in two commands: Love God and Love your neighbor.

TomboyMom
So I don't need to believe in Jesus Christ? Thanks for straightening that out for me.

No, unless Jesus Christ is God in which case you will need to believe in Him else how would you love someone in whom you did not believe.

Mountain Man · 12-28-2005, 09:39 AM

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John A. Broussard · 12-28-2005, 09:17 PM

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I guess it depends on what it means for the Pope to have "the keys to the kingdom." What does that mean?

According to the Catholic Church it means that the pope is infallible.

Is that an acceptable interpretation of the bible verse? And, if it isn't, would you consider that merely a trifling matter?

Thanks.

rhutchin · 12-29-2005, 05:48 AM

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rhutchin
I guess it depends on what it means for the Pope to have "the keys to the kingdom." What does that mean?

John A. Broussard
According to the Catholic Church it means that the pope is infallible.

Is that an acceptable interpretation of the bible verse? And, if it isn't, would you consider that merely a trifling matter?

Thanks.

The Catholic Church believes that the pope is infallible?? I don't think this means that the person who is the pope is infallible and never sins.

It seems to mean that the pope has the responsibility to preach the gospel, and he has an infallible Bible from which to preach infallible doctine.

The pope has the keys to the kingdom as do all who preach the gospel.

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