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And yes, the John and Mark have a story of Jesus having a body part of his (head in Mark, feet in John) covered with nard. If you want to call this an "anointing", go ahead. But this activity does not represent a consecration of any kind, let alone for an office. As John and Mark themselves say, it represents the embalming of a corpse that Jews administered to a deceased member of their family. Why are you refusing to admit this? Quote:
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and Jesus said she should always be remembered for it. I asked you why, and you have not answered that yet.[/QUOTE] See above. Jeffrey |
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And 3rd to 6th century CE rabinnical traditions (under whose name/authority, BTW?) about the mashuaḥ milḥamah rather than the King Messiah/Son of David (the rabbinical term for the Messianic deliverer) which say nothing about Judas as either mashuaḥ milḥamah or King Messiah/Son of David, used to build a case that Judas was proclaimed in his own time as The Messiah, Messiah, Son of David, yep, good stuff! Jeffrey |
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I have asked Jay to check his claims that Zeztel supports Wiseman's thesis regarding the identity of Gaius Valerius Catullus with Zeztel himself. I even provided Jay with Zeztel's address so that he might do so.
But seeing that Jay has no inclination to do so (any guesses why?), I took the bull by the horns and contacted Zeztel myself. For the record -- and so that no one can accuse me of misrepresentation of Jay's claims -- here is what I wrote: Quote:
I'll post any reply from Zeztel that I receive. Jeffrey |
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Here is Dr. Zetzel's reply and the email I sent him this morning. Dear Dr. Raskin: I still think that Wiseman's suggestion about mime is plausible, although there can be no proof one way or the other. The objection to it is based on the (false) idea that what we have of Catullus is all that there ever was, and it doesn't fit the still-lingering Romantic Catullus--or even the post-modern one. Wiseman's idea seems to me to have been largely dropped, and I don't think it's widely accepted--at least, it doesn't come up in most writing about Catullus. James Zetzel Jay D Raskin wrote: > Hi Dr. Zetzel, > > I apologize for taking up your time, but I have a question in regards > to a 1988 review you wrote of "Catullus and His World: A Reappraisal" > by T. P. Wiseman. > > In the review, you seemed to me to express support for Wiseman's idea > that Catullus wrote the mime plays "Phasma" and "Laureolus" > I would like to know if that was your opinion and if it still is your > opinion. > > Also, I am wondering if the idea that Catullus wrote mimes is still a > controversial one among Classicists or if it has become more generally > accepted. > > Thank you any information you can give me in regards to these questions. > > Sincerely, > Dr. Jay Raskin > Adjunct Philosophy Professor > Valencia Community College > |
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The subsequent email from Zetzel confirms this interpretation - that W.'s idea is plausible, although in the time since this article was written, it has not been adopted by others in the field. It has been my experience that academics will rarely take a more definitive stand than this. But I thought that we all agreed that this is not a real issue. There was a popular mime that involved a crucifixion, that made enough of an impression on a number of people that we have a record of it. It might have been written by the more famous and academically well-regarded Catullus, or by another Catullus. eta - your charge about stacking the decks is unfounded. Zetzel understood the question. |
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