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Old 07-19-2012, 08:25 AM   #71
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So either GMark considers his Christ to be the Davidic messiah or someone else........
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Exactly. It's difficult to imagine Mark's Jesus when we are steeped in the other Gospels and Paul.

I tend to favor the Greek tragedy theory for Mark because of it's ambiguity. He doesn't come right and state things because he wants the reader to think about it.
Well, that is EXACTLY your problem. You imagine gMark's Jesus using the OTHER Gospels and Paul.

That is precisely what the OTHER Gospels and Pauline writings are. They are products of imagination AFTER READING the short Mark.

The first four Jesus stories in the Canon are fundamentally the same as short gMark. And what is most significant is that all additions to the short gMark story is UTTER fiction.

1. Short gMark.

2. Short gMark + post-resurrection visit. [Long gMark]

3. Short gMark +birth +post-resurrection visit. [gMatthew]

4. Short gMark harmonised with Acts. [gLuke]
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Well, that is EXACTLY your problem. You imagine gMark's Jesus using the OTHER Gospels and Paul.
I don't think so. That Mark's Jesus is God is the sort of projection that results from the tradition following Mark.
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AA, all Horatio was saying was that it can be difficult not make assumptions about Mark's meaning based on knowledge of later Christian literature. Assuming that Mark thinks Jesus is God, for instance is a mistake.
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Well, that is EXACTLY your problem. You imagine gMark's Jesus using the OTHER Gospels and Paul.
I don't think so. That Mark's Jesus is God is the sort of projection that results from the tradition following Mark.
I really am not investigating what you think. I am SHOWING what is WRITTEN in the short gMark.

It is WRITTEN in the short gMark that the character called Jesus WALKED on water, Transfigured and Resurrected. See Mark 6, Mark 9 and Mark 16.

The short gMark's Jesus character was NOT human.

I no longer accept Imagination, presumptions and speculation.
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What is shown in the "short end Mark" is about a holy man miracle worker who is known as Christ and Son of Man and by definition Jewish messiah, whereby the Elijah figure who precedes the messiah is someone other than Elijah himself, which is what the disciples were interested in because they knew that the Messiah could only be preceded by the real Elijah.
But Jesus told them to forget about the real Elijah and accept his word for it that a reincarnated Elijah preceded the Messiah (meaning himself).
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What is shown in the "short end Mark" is about a holy man miracle worker who is known as Christ and Son of Man and by definition Jewish messiah, whereby the Elijah figure who precedes the messiah is someone other than Elijah himself, which is what the disciples were interested in because they knew that the Messiah could only be preceded by the real Elijah.
But Jesus told them to forget about the real Elijah and accept his word for it that a reincarnated Elijah preceded the Messiah (meaning himself).
Again, I am NOT dealing with imaginatiom and speculation.

Please, READ the short gMark.

gMark's character called Jesus was identified as the Son of God that WALKED on water, Transfigured with the resurrected Elijah and was RAISED from the dead. See Mark 1.11, Mark 6.48-49, Mark 9.2-4 and Mark 16.6.

gMark's Jesus was NOT human.

Your imagination and speculation ARE WORTHLESS.
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I really am not investigating what you think. I am SHOWING what is WRITTEN in the short gMark.

It is WRITTEN in the short gMark that the character called Jesus WALKED on water, Transfigured and Resurrected. See Mark 6, Mark 9 and Mark 16.

The short gMark's Jesus character was NOT human.

I no longer accept Imagination, presumptions and speculation.
Except your own.
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I really am not investigating what you think. I am SHOWING what is WRITTEN in the short gMark.

It is WRITTEN in the short gMark that the character called Jesus WALKED on water, Transfigured and Resurrected. See Mark 6, Mark 9 and Mark 16.

The short gMark's Jesus character was NOT human.

I no longer accept Imagination, presumptions and speculation.
Except your own.
Again, it is WRITTEN in the short gMark that the Jesus character was the Son of God that WALKED on water, Transfigured with the Resurrected Elijah and was RAISED from the dead.

I am NOT speculating. It is WRITTEN. The character called Jesus in gMark was NOT human.
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