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S.C.Carlson · 01-05-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben C Smith

The second quotation from Anastasius looks odd to me (the one where Papias is named in a group that interprets paradise spiritually as Christ and the church). The first quotation from Anastasius may also be of the same ilk. Or perhaps both of these just belong to the category of misinterpretation of Papias, rather than fabrication.

I think Anastasius's description of Papias is legit. (I wouldn't go so far as calling it a quotation, though). Anastasius's comment coheres very nicely with Victorinus's suspected use of Papias in De fabrica mundi. Cf. William R. Schoedel's discussion of the issue on p. 115 of The Apostolic Fathers: A New Translation and Commentary (London: Nelson, 1967).

In my view, Schoedel's treatment of Papias is so good in this book that it is virtually indispensible if you are seriously interested in studying Papias.

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Originally Posted by Ben C Smith

I have always wondered about the textual issues behind that quotation. Who writes about it and where?

Ulrich H. J. Körtner's monograph, Papias von Hierapolis: Ein Beitrag zur Geschichte des frühen Christentums (FRULANT 133; Göttingen: 1983), pp. 28-29, nicely lays out the four textual witnesses to the Apollinaris's scholium.
Körtner stated, without explaining why, that Hilgenfeld's reconstruction in favor of the longer form is the best. Clearly, my own opinion to the contrary should be regarded as tentative, pending review of Hilgenfeld.

Stephen

Ben C Smith · 01-05-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by S.C.Carlson

I think Anastasius's description of Papias is legit. (I wouldn't go so far as calling it a quotation, though). Anastasius's comment coheres very nicely with Victorinus's suspected use of Papias in De fabrica mundi. Cf. William R. Schoedel's discussion of the issue on p. 115 of The Apostolic Fathers: A New Translation and Commentary (London: Nelson, 1967).

I have been meaning to get hold of Schoedel.

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Ulrich H. J. Körtner's monograph, Papias von Hierapolis: Ein Beitrag zur Geschichte des frühen Christentums (FRULANT 133; Göttingen: 1983), pp. 28-29, nicely lays out the four textual witnesses to the Apollinaris's scholium.

Perfect (though this one will probably have to wait till I can get to a research library). Thank you.

Ben.

Vorkosigan · 01-05-2006, 03:50 PM

I'll be back to these debates on Monday. Gone all weekend.....aaarrrgh!

Michael

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