No Robots

With respect to moderate Christians, mythicists play the same role that bolshevists played with respect to the moderate Left. In other words, moderate Christians have a duty to oppose mythicism, just as the moderate Left had a duty to oppose Bolshevism.

Geetarmoore

More BS.....

I attack it because I think that religion is the most destructive force on the planet, and could very well be the undoing of millions of years of evolutionary progress - in short order.

You should have good reasons behind your beliefs, and I should be able to call you out when your beliefs are based on crap, as you should call me on my beliefs if you feel the same. If I feel that your potentially destructive belief system is based on a man who never existed, you bet your ass I'm going to be there, telling you how ignorant it is for you to believe in him.

The mythical Jesus makes more sense than the historic one, when looked at in conjunction with the all of the evidence that we have/ don't have, combined with an understanding of when that information was produced. It is not flimsy evidence, and stands up better to critical thinking than the flawed and excuse ridden explanations of the historic Jesus crowd.

If this hurts your feelings, if you find it offensive, or otherwise distasteful, maybe the Internet infidels discussion board isn't the place for you. Did you ever think of that?

No Robots

First of all, the point was that it is offensive not just to me, but to millions. Secondly, if I am to oppose an idea, what better way than to oppose it in its own nest?

Geetarmoore

Good! The millions should be offended!

It's time that we put this silly idea of backing away from criticizing stupid ideas because they are attached to some kind of faith component, behind us.

'Faith' is not a good reason to believe in anything. It's dangerous, and unhealthy.

Stupid is stupid.

Personally, I'm glad that there are people of faith here. I just think it's funny that you come in here and get offended because someone says that Jesus is mythology equal to the tooth fairy, when it is clearly not equal........

I used to actually get a quarter for my teeth when I was a kid...

Tooth Fairy 1
Jesus 0

ChandraRama

Hey that is unfair. Christianity has killed millions for not following the official stand. (sometimes called as not so nicean creed :grin:

That should count something!

Didymus

Technically speaking, it's literary evidence, but even as such evidence goes, it's a frail and wispy reed upon which to build your case. Of course, it might just be the best evidence of Jesus' recent existence in all of Paul's epistles!

(I know, I know, Paul wasn't concerned about that sort of thing. But if that's the case, why did he even mention it?)

We already have a world free of Christ; the world just doesn't know it.

Which do you value more - truth or religious dogma? Truth is what this forum is all about. It's not about avoiding facts that some find unpleasant or threatening to cherished beliefs. There are other places, like soc.religion.christianity, that traffic in apologetics.

When pondering all the good that Christianity has done for the world, keep in mind that the most Christian large nation in the world, is also one of the world's four leaders in executions of criminals. In 2004, 97% of all the world's executions were carried out by the U.S., China, Iraq and Viet Nam.

It's plain to see that belief in Jesus doesn't preclude playing god.

Didymus

Didymus

Umm, it would if it were true. MILLIONS? For Arianism? For Marcionism? For what? I'm an atheist, but I still think you ought to back up such an assertion.

Didymus

ChandraRama

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

Vorkosigan

Wow. It would be hard to imagine a more misleading analogy than this one. For starters, it is the historicists who are the violent bolshevik types -- checked your Christian history lately? -- while it was the mythicists who got stamped out.

Vorkosigan

Vorkosigan

No, it is data, not evidence. It isn't evidence until you process it via a methodology and then assemble it into an argument based on a model. By claiming that it is "evidence" you ask us to accept a methodology, which you have no proposed.

Historically several people have claimed to be the brother of Jesus, and have not been. It would hardly be surprising if James were different.

Vorkosigan