dr lazer blast

sure its possible, however my story matches up as well, there aren't any contradictions, also where is that acceptance scripture that you bolded? still waiting for that.



Actually, you need a reason to doubt that mary doubted the angel. I have plenty of support, like I said its called reasonable doubt, we can never know for sure what happened, but based upon the resources we have, there is nothing that contradicts Mary doubting what the angels said, if people can doubt that Jesus rose from the dead even while seeing him, it is not unlikely that mary could doubt the angels as well. I have plenty of support.


Ya actually they do match up, you need more than an argument from silence to support your claim that there is no justification, right now its just a matter of preference, does it contradict my narrative at all? no it doesn't.



can I see that scripture that says acceptance?



argument from silence. Just beause Jhon didn't write about mary hearnig the angels is not evidence that it did not happen, like I said, the gospel are 4 accounts of the same thing, and we are discussing MY narrative as well, There is nothing in the other gospels that contradicts my narrative of Mary Magdelene hearing the angel talk, nor there any reason to believe otherwise.. There is a difference that is relevant. When she's talking to peter shes asking questions because she doesn't know whats going on, after she sees Jesus she gives a full account of what happened, 2 different ways of talking.


have you even read my narrative?

The angels told Mary Magdele that jesus rose before Jesus appeared to her, and it makes sense if Mary doubted, or if Mary wanted proof from the angels, or if Mary didn't know the specifics of where Jesus was in Galilee.



Incorrect. I am not ignoring anything, the angel said "Jesus goes before you into Galilee" which does not state he is in galilee at the moment, it states that Jesus 'goes' the word 'goes' does not translate to the word 'is'. It is not 'Jesus IS before you into Galilee', its 'Jesus GOES before you into Galilee'
So the angel could easily be telling Mary that "Jesus is going before you into Galilee"

2 different words. Is, and Goes.

wrong, where is the location in galilee? care to provide some scriputual evidence? where in Galilee is he at? evidene please, not to mention that the angel was basically telling Mary that Jesus was 'going to galilee before the disciples' so the angel was still not giving mary a location where Jesus was at the moment.



except we are talking about my narrative, not 'the way you put it', You should be criticiszing my narrative.

Atheos

Thanks for stepping up Amaleq13. I'm tired of this and recognize that this is truly a pointless endeavor.

I've learned that there actually is no such thing as a contradiction, therefore the bible contains no contradictions.

dr lazer blast, I hope your beliefs serve you well. I'm truly amazed that a once objective atheist could become so thoroughly dogmatic about one religous tradition. But that's your choice and I respect it.

My apologies to those who've offered encouragement (via PM) to continue, but this has gone far beyond ridiculous and I've grown to find it quite tiresome.

Signing off on this one.

Kharakov

Aight, as it's still entertaining me, I'll pull this one out:

Luke 23:46 "46Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."

John 19:30 "30When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."

Amaleq13

On the contrary, I've shown that your story fails to include all the details and, when it does, becomes incoherent. I've already explained what indicates Mary accepted the angel's message so I'm not sure what it is you are awaiting. I never said I was quoting anything. That Mary reacted to the angels with joy, regardless of the fear that accompanied it, and related what she was told to the disciples clearly contradicts your hypothetical doubt.

Not really since there is no reason to suspect it in the first place but I've provided two reasons to reject the notion anyway. Your "doubt" is simply not reasonable given the evidence of the text.

I have to wonder if you truly understand what an argument from silence is because you are not using it correctly here. My observation that the reassurance given by the angel in all three of the Synoptics has no place in the fourth version obviously does not rely on silence. Likewise, my rejection of your hypothetical Doubting Mary is not based on silence but incompatibility with the evidence of the text.

You need to pay closer attention to what I write since that is not a claim I have made.

That is true but that isn't my position. The reassurance from the angels simply does not fit in the fourth version of the story. It does not make sense prior to Mary wondering where Jesus' body is located and it does not make sense after Jesus appears to her. It does not fit. Period. No argument from silence but an observation of incompatibility.

Your attempted harmonization? Yes. Remember when I pointed out you already had a problem with the first line? The two Marys brought spices they knew were already there for an anointing they knew had already taken place and apparently forgot about the large rock they knew blocked the entrance. Moving on from that debacle, we see that you have skipped over the reassurance of the angels. Tsk, tsk.

Your semantic quibble does not help you escape the fact that the angel's message is incompatible with the fourth version's depiction of her wondering where the body has been laid.

As I already indicated, it doesn't matter for the purposes of being incompatible with Mary's question in the fourth version. Her question there requires that she think Jesus' dead body has been relocated to an unknown place while the reassurance of the angel contradicts both.

Doesn't matter. What the angel tells her and her joy in response are sufficient to conflict with the notion of her wondering where his dead body is located. It simply doesn't fit.

I was responding to your comment about my response.

I have been. And it continues to be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Amaleq13

It is literally no problem at all though I'm sure I'll soon tire of shooting those trapped fish as well. :wave:

dr lazer blast

cool, it was fun while it lasted, i learned a lot, hope you did too.

dr lazer blast

Lets see, there was no Reaction of joy, you continue to assert things that arn't true.

They departed with fear and great joy. So we don't know what their specific reaction is, you're just trying to bring me into semantic games.

Regardless of whether or not 'it matches up to you personally' does my narrative's of the gospels contradict anything? no they don't, is it possible that mary doubted the angels? yes it is, does her doubting anything contradict anything the gospels no it doesn't,





Yes there is a reason to suspect doubt, I suspect she doubted the angels because she went to peter saying she doesn't know where Jesus was. You're just playing semantic games, does her doubting contradict anything in the 4 gospels? no it does not, is it possible for her to doubt? yes it is, given the accounts that everyone else doubted, and some even doubted when they saw Jesus himself.



Your rejection stems from nothing but personal dislike, which is fine, however you're going to need more than personal dislike, as personal dislike does not disprove anything.

I am asserting that Mary doubted, Mary doubted because it was difficult to believe the fact that Jesus rose from the dead. I support this assertion with the following scripture.

Which confirms that numerous people found it difficult to believe to believe Jesus rose from the dead, it is more than likely that mary doubted the angels story, we cannot be 100% sure, but with the resources we have, it seems more than likely that it is possible that Mary doubted the angels story.
Just because the angels told mary doesn't mean anything, because some people even doubted after they had seen Jesus. Jesus, being of higher authority and of more importance than the angels, and still some people doubted, which easily suggests that regardless of who said what, or who appeared where, it was still possible to doubt.

Now I ask you to refute this claim with evidence and not your personal feelings.


actually it was.

so you made a claim that there was fear, joy, and acceptance.

Yes actually it does.

THe bolded is from matthew 28, and the bolded AND underlined is from mark. The reason I have mark there is just to confirm that they walked into the tomb, so the reassurance easily fits. If you remember my narrative i have all 3 women hearing what the angel has to say, then splitting up, with mary magdelene going one way, and the other women going the other way.

Now it is up to YOU to refute my claim using EVIDENCE, not personal "It doesn't match up to me"

Please keep in mind that we are dealing with my narriration, so any scripture should be resolved of the proper context, I would've commented on the rest of what you wrote, but it all boils down to you differentiating your personal dislikes, to providing actual evidence to support your claims. Right now you're just asserting 'it doesn't fit' without backing it up.

Kharakov

Lazer, I still would like to see your opinion of these verses:

Luke 23:46 "46Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."

John 19:30 "30When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."

Half-Life

Can I try this one?

Jesus received a drink. After he drank it, he said "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." He breathed his last breath. While deeply inhaling so as not to exhale, Jesus then said "It is finished" and bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

You are using an argument from silence in assuming that just because Jesus breathed his last breath that automatically means he's dead. He could just be inhaling very deeply while not exhaling and that would still be his "last breath." The way I have written it shows there is no contradiction.

Do I get my bachelor of science in Bullshit now?

Kharakov

Perhaps by "breathed his last" they meant said "It is finished"? Apologetics is definitely a good exercise for those who plan to enter politics, ehh?