Dave Roberts

http://www.drtiller.com/

LATE ABORTION CARE
ELECTIVE AND THERAPEUTIC
LATE ABORTION CARE
FETAL ANOMALY

We have an unparalleled record of safey in late abortion services and we have more experience in late abortion services over 24 weeks than anyone else currently practicing in the Western Hemisphere, Europe and Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion

The term is not a medical term, and the exact point when a pregnancy becomes late-term is not clearly defined. Some authors use this term in reference to abortion after sixteen (16) weeks.[1] However, a late-term abortion often refers to an induced abortion procedure that occurs after the 20th week of gestation. Three articles published in 1998 in the same issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association could not agree on the definition. Two articles chose the 20th week of gestation to be the point where an abortion procedure would be considered late-term.[2] While another article chose the third trimester, or 27th week of gestation.[3]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/wa...rssnyt&emc=rss

Justices Hear Arguments on Late-Term Abortion

What exactly was the procedure that the law, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, sought to prohibit, the justices wanted to know. When, if ever, was the procedure necessary? What would be the impact of banning it? What alternatives were available to women seeking second-trimester abortions and to doctors performing them?

Harry Bosch

I hate to say this, but this was extremely predictable. I think that there is a very good chance that Roe will be overturned in the future. I say thank you to the Nader voters in 2000 and moderates who voted for Bush. I actually heard that the biggest voting block that changed their vote in 2000 (when Gore won the popular vote) compared to 2004 when Bush won reelection were the so-called security moms. The soccer moms were transformed from to security moms due to the war in Iraq and I think due to the Swift-boat liars. I was not a big fan of Kerry. However, if you elect conservative presidents, we will get conservative supreme courts.

Loren Pechtel

The procedure is also used in some second trimester abortions.

Dr. Tiller also performs second trimester abortions.

That doesn't change the fact that things are being muddled between second and third trimester. You'll find a lot more support for second trimester than third trimester abortions.


Personally I think 5 justices belong in jail. Practicing medicine without a license.

Dave Roberts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion


Because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's annual study on abortion statistics does not calculate the exact gestational age for abortions performed past the 20th week, there is no exact data for the number of abortions performed after viability.

In the United States,1.4% of abortions occur at 21 weeks or later[4](approximately 18,000 per year[5]).


In 1997, the Alan Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions past 24 weeks to be 0.08% (approximately 1,032 per year).[6]

B.S. Lewis

This is kind of silly. In a murder case, should the convict and the victim's family should get together to decide on a fitting sentence? Sounds like a recipe for stalemate.

I for one am satisfied. I will go out tomorrow and spread the good news - Gwen has settled the abortion debate!

This makes it sound like it was not his constitutional power to appoint judges. Of all the illegal things Bush has done, appointing John Roberts was not one of them.

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The really stupid thing about this ban is that it targets a procedure, regardless of risk to the woman. Why? If they want to chip away at abortion, the first thing they should target are the "birth control" (i.e., low risk to the mother) type of abortions regardless of trimester or specific procedure used. That would make more sense, and keep public opinion more on their side.

Soul Invictus

I was hoping that someone with a fair amount of familiarity could explain the following.

1) Distinguishing between fetus development in 2nd vs 3rd trimester stages.

I'd like to compare this to Loren's comments about getting more support for 2nd trimester abortions vs 3rd trimester ones. Sure, the 2nd trimester is earlier development, but I'd be curious to know how significantly more developed is the 3rd trimester fetus over that of the 2nd trimester one.

2) What the purported/real health reasons to perform an abortion are.

I can't see how fact could be so debatable. Either certain conditions exist or they don't.

Vampyroteuthis

I had a friend who had this particular procedure done. After blood tests showed signs of trouble and several ultrasounds her obgyn gave her the terrible news that her fetus had only half a head. She said it was the most horrible experience of her life. She and her husband had one child before and one after that had no trouble at all. The doctor said it was just a chance thing that can happen to anyone.

As far as other cases and their circumstances, I don't know.

Soul Invictus

Hello fellow Wisconsinite!!!! :wave:

That is a very horrible story, and I can't relate to how they felt, but I imagine they were devastated beyond realms.

Are you aware of if "health reasons" is typified to mean moreso for towards risks of the mother and/or fetus? Personally, I don't think it matters, but I'm just curious as to how others define the issue.

Dave Roberts

http://www.priestsforlife.org/testim...testimony.html

The mother was six months pregnant (26 1/2 weeks). A doctor told her that the baby had Down Syndrome and she decided to have an abortion. She came in the first two days to have the laminaria inserted and changed, and she cried the whole time. On the third day she came in to receive the partial-birth procedure.

Dr. Haskell brought the ultrasound in and hooked it up so that he could see the baby. On the ultrasound screen, I could see the heart beating. As Dr. Haskell watched the baby on the ultrasound screen, the baby's heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen.

Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms-- everything but the head. The doctor kept the baby's head just inside the uterus.

The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors through the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall.

The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I was really completely unprepared for what I was seeing. I almost threw up as I watched the doctor do these things.

Mr. Chairman, I read in the paper that President Clinton says that he is going to veto this bill. If President Clinton had been standing where I was standing at that moment, he would not veto this bill.

Dr. Haskell delivered the baby's head. He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw that baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he'd used. I saw the baby move in the pan. I asked another nurse and she said it was just "reflexes."

I have been a nurse for a long time and I have seen a lot of death-- people maimed in auto accidents, gunshot wounds, you name it. I have seen surgical procedures of every sort. But in all my professional years, I had never witnessed anything like this.

The woman wanted to see her baby, so they cleaned up the baby and put it in a blanket and handed the baby to her. She cried the whole time, and she kept saying, "I'm so sorry, please forgive me!" I was crying too. I couldn't take it. That baby boy had the most perfect angelic face I have ever seen.

I was present in the room during two more such procedures that day, but I was really in shock. I tried to pretend that I was somewhere else, to not think about what was happening. I just couldn't wait to get out of there. After I left that day, I never went back. These last two procedures, by the way, involved healthy mothers with healthy babies.

coloradoatheist

You're killing the fetus so it would be health reasons for the mother since we don't allow kiilling a down baby for any medical condition.


We'll see if any real cases ever arise out of this.

Mike