John A. Broussard

Let's see, now. According to the bible, the ark ended up on Mt. Ararat and, according to you, a boat has been found there.

Could you give me your evidence that a boat has been found there? Let's say some really good photographs. And since photographs can be altered, you should be able to provide verification of the boat's presence by some objective third parties.

And, of course, there should be some indication that the boat--if there is one--is in fact the ark.

Thank you.

pharoah

Where have you been John, hiding under a rock? You didn't know that Noah's ark has been found? :huh: Sheesh!
The late great Ron Wyatt has found that and a whole lot more! Marvel at this astounding list! It proves the veracity of the Bible beyond a doubt! I just had to highlight the ones that really impressed me.

Does anyone know where I can buy sackclothes?

John A. Broussard

Actually, I stumbled across Wyatt's site quite some time ago. It was a bit like entering a great cathedral.

Too bad he's moved on from faith to knowledge because there was a man with chutzpa beyond belief.

Craigart14

Bingo!

Craig

Craigart14

<edit>,

It is an insult to imply or to state openly that readers who disagree with you have "reading comprehension problems." There is no fallacy in the OP, but a disagreement of interpretation. So here is my interpretation, based on the Oxford Study Bible translation of the Book of Genesis.

Gen: 7:8-9: "And into the ark with Noah went one pair, male and female, of all beasts, clean and unclean, of birds and of everything that crawls on the ground, two by two, as God had commanded."

Note that there is only one pair of every species taken into the ark. Note also that this is done "as God had commanded," i.e., the command of God is correctly executed. One pair of every species, no exceptions. However, the command of God is stated as follows in Gen: 7:2-4:

"Take with you seven pairs, male and female, of all beasts that are ritually clean, and one pair, male and female, of all beasts that are not clean; also seven pairs, male and female, of every bird--to ensure that life continues on earth."

These two passages clearly contradict each other. Gen 7:2-4 quotes God's command, but Gen 7:8-9 shows that the command was not properly executed, yet claims that it was done "as God had commanded." Not to put too fine a point on it, it wasn't done "as God had commanded." Is that clear to you? Or is is too difficult?

Analogies sometimes help the intellectually challenged. Last week my daughter asked me if she could go to a local concert with her friends. I said she could if she completed the weekly chore of changing her bed and cleaning her room. She changed the bed, then told me she had done what I asked. Had she? Her room was still a mess. Think hard, now.

As I have pointed out before, the contradiction shifts when we consider also the context provided by Gen 6:19-21, which quotes God as commanding Noah to "bring . . . into the ark . . . two of each kind, a male and a female; two of every kind of bird, beast, and reptile."

Gen 6:19-21 quotes God as commanding one action, 7:2-4 quotes him as commanding something different, and 7:8-9 shows Noah fulfilling the first command (given in 6:19-21), but NOT the second command (given in 7:2-4). Pick your contradiction, but don't pretend there isn't one.

Craig

Sheshbazzar

And of course Craig, this is where we differ, in the method and in the manner of our interpretations of Scripture.
Your methodology permits for the extracting of the statement of Gen 7:2-4 from the body of the surrounding text, and professing that Noah,
Whereas being constrained by "And the Scripture cannot be broken;" (Jn 10:35), I am compelled by ethics to accept that 7:2-4 was and is an integral part of Scripture that it may not be broken out of, and that therefor in accord with the entire body of text under consideration, Noah DID most certainly "fulfill the second command (given in 7:2-4)." in accordance with that only record in existence. ( And with there being no actual verse divisions in the original text, citing "7:2-4", is only a search convenience, not an indicator that this or that particular sentence or statement is to be taken, or to be considered apart from, or out of the context of its surrounding and supporting text.)

Simple as this, you say Noah did NOT obey nor fulfill Gen 7:2-4, But the text, (and no other version is known) says that he DID, now given that the text says what it DOES say, on what basis should I accept your declaration that the events, or that the story-line, ought to be disassembled and the clear statement of Gen 7:2-4 be ignored?

Your method and manner of interpretation is different than mine, and has been far from being persuasive, or for that matter even reasonable.
Moreover corrupting or ridiculing another's screen name is not considered good manners, and is also contrary to the IIDB Forum rules.

Sheshbazzar

Your choice of a "translation" is part of the problem, because the Oxford Study Bible does not faithfully conform to the text that is here under consideration,
The Hebrew text and the LXX of text Gen 7:8 does NOT say;

"And into the ark with Noah went one pair, male and female,"

and this verse is not so rendered in any other well known or accepted translation.
Indeed there are not any words to be found in Gen 7:8 that could properly be rendered as "one pair". The Oxford Study Bible combines and reinterprets v.8 and v.9 supplying the phrase "one pair" where it DOES NOT at all occur within the Hebrew, the Greek, or the Latin texts, nor in any other respected translation or version.
Of course this interpretation is invalidated by the actual text, as neither Gen 7:8 or 7:9 contain any words that could be properly rendered as "One pair", with 7:9 being rendered "two by two" in the Oxford Study Bible as it is also rendered in every other respected version.

Of course they ONLY "contradict each other" if you resort to the employment of a particular version that alters the sense of the original texts.