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Old 11-16-2007, 05:58 AM   #11
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Did Jesus Christ intend for an institutionalised following? Or did he think he was setting an example, that might merely inspire individuals with their lives?

He spoke in parables frequently seemingly with the intent that people would think for themselves, intend of dogmatically following a preacher (Mark 4:12).

My biblical knowledge is far from comprehensive, which is why I'm posting here to receive feedback from the learned. My understanding is Jesus had an ambivalent relationship with his disciples. Also that He mostly didn't explicitly demand a following. From what i remember he basically deplored the churches and priests he came across.

Matthew 16:18 seems the most direct support that Jesus wanted a church. But my understanding is the Gospel of Matthew (and the other gospels except Mark) are the least credible accounts of Jesus. Also from what i can gather the translation of 'rock' is also contentious.

Also a professor at my university recently published a book, The Existential Jesus, which disputes the possibility that Jesus was a messiah as traditionally perceived. Although I haven't had the opportunity to get through the book, I'm very sympathetic to the interpretation.


Any relevant feedback appreciated, digressions will not be well received

If one ignores Scriptures, there is inadequate information to answer your questions. It is easy to have opinions and to discuss them, but this is not based on any data that can be verified. I believe that many of the notes in this thread demonstrate the point of only opinion, rather than proof.

If one accepts the Scriptures, then it would seem that Jesus did come to establish some kind of church. However, this church might not be organized along the lines that we see today. Indeed, the NT seems rather ambiguous concerning a specific organization.

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