Gamut

I shat a gold brick yesterday. Pretty outstanding event wouldn't you say? I mean, I SHAT A GOLD BRICK!!

It was awesome, you should have seen it. This must be one of the most stupendous events ever to have occured.

Oh wait...what's that you say? You do want to see it? :worried:

Er.....uh....see there was this whirlwind that came and took it. Whats that? You checked the weather? Blue sky yesterday?

Well..I was standing there...and this little cloud came up extremely quickly! Before I knew...wind, twister...gone. Took my gold brick.

You don't believe me?

How is having no evidence to prove any of yesterdays (Biblical?) events proof that they never happened? :huh:

Ozymandias

Gamut,

However unreasonable your story is, there is still no way to empirically prove that you did not shat a gold brick.

I'm not familiar with the historical data re: the bible or with the scientific method, but it seems to me that, although both the bible's stories and your gold brick story are unreasonable, neither of them can be scientifically disproved...

Peter Kirby

You know, it could have been a small gold brick... the historical gold brick...

best,
Peter Kirby

Crucifiction

Yes. They can.

The Bible says that the Israelites, millions of them, wandered the Sianai Desert for fourty years. However, an equal amount of years of archaeological expeditions into the Sianai Desert have not turned up a single campfire, a single bit of cloth, a single pot, skeleton, piece of food, or anything else. Nothing exists to show that these millions of people wandered through the desert; and yet we have been able to find OLDER camps of groups of people with far less people in them. Therefore, it is highly probable that the Exodus, at least in any version similar to that in the Bible, did not take place.

Ozymandias

That seems like a compelling argument to me. Thanks for telling me about it, I was unaware of this.

In addition to that, I'd like to bring up the topic of relevance ... would the types of people who hold the Bible to be infallible be fazed whatsoever at information like this? After all, it could be justified as a work of satan, trying to trick us into believing anything but the Bible, especially by fundamentalists who are (in)famous for such arguments. For people who do not believe the Bible is infallible, the disproving of individual historical segments/portions of the Bible is also probably unimportant, as it is the New Testament and the theology contained therein is regarded as more key and central to the Bible's message (in most cases).

Gamut

You are exactly correct.

If something indeed did not happen, then it is very difficult, nigh impossible to prove that it did not.

Very hard to prove a negative for sure.

This topic is asking for evidence that disproves the bible....not stories from the bible that have no evidence.

If there is really no evidence, it is hard to PROVE either way, but the assumption should be it didn't happen.

If there is some evidence, it comes down to how you interpret the evidence and what it all means.

:thumbs:

John A. Broussard

The term "gold brick" is a variant translation of "feathered goose." Anyone with any sense should see immediately that the report is correct but that it has been mistakenly understood by early commentators.

Godfather

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

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Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

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Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.


Word has it that the people "standing here" have already died. Anyone seen the kingdom of god yet?

TomboyMom

btw, has any assertion in the bible ever been supported by solid hisorical data?

Gullwind

We do have Babylonian records that support the exile of some Israelites to Babylon (6th Century BC), and I believe some ruins in Israel have been identified with Omri and his decendants, about 800-900 BC.

Earlier than that, however, I am not aware of anything. Abraham, the Exodus, the Conquest of Canaan, and the united kingdom of Israel under Saul, David and Solomon have no supporting evidence as far as I know.