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Old 08-15-2004, 01:09 PM   #51
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In order to convert back, I would have to experience a highly subjective, emotional episode that left me feeling like I was one of god's special people, headed for heaven, while the rest of you heathens are headed toward an eternity of fire and brimstone. After that I could come here and derail threads and tell you all about the truth of my beliefs. :devil3:
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yeah, they're campling under a huge pillar of fire in the desert and seem to turn to idol worship at the drop of a hat. that must be why god doesn't do that anymore

i agree that the events that would make christianity, or any theism truly rational would take all of the faith out of it, but i spend so much time go over the lack of evidence for christianity, i was wondering what thoughts were on what evidence for christianity would be like.

was really hoping to get some theistic response as to what it would take for christianity to give up (though i was myself a fundy, so i know the likelyhood of that ever happening)...

I imagine that admitting that ANYTHING could shake their faith would be an openning for satan to sink his hooves into their souls.
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Old 08-17-2004, 10:59 AM   #53
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Sorry, no can do. I asked him today, he said he didn’t have anything.

I know you weren’t particularly interested in the other story about the deformed baby the doctor said should be aborted, who was healed after prayer, but after talking with a pastor today I could probably get ‘before’ and ‘after’ medical documentation proof of that one.

Sure. I mean, I'm interested in any claim of god or the supernatural that has evidence. Your original quote was taken as an example for why you believe "..in the cases I am contemplating (smashed up knee from motorcycle accident instantaneously healed to total health in church meeting,.." and (correct me if I'm wrong) accepted without evidence.

So medical records, or even medical studies or reports referencing records that show a deformed child born no longer deformed with no treatment but prayer would be very interesting, indeed.
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Old 08-17-2004, 11:52 AM   #54
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thoughts on conditions for belief?
Your cat.

You claim to have a cat. I don't believe you. How would you go about proving to me that you do in fact have a cat?

Now just do the same for your god.
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