Tuvar Ane Ingolenen

I used to be as tolerant of Islam as of any other religion. I've lived in an arabic country for 5 years. However, recently, knowledge of Islam ( from the Quran ), has greatly reduced my tolerance of Islam.
I accept Islam as fact, but cannot accept it tennets.
Quran forbids muslims to accept me, an unbeliever. Quran orders muslims to kill me.
As long as this remains so 'solving the old problem of Western World with Islam', would require massive bloodshed.

dmarker

We have no problem with accepting different people. The problem arises when those people won't accept us.

Rusting Car Bumper

This is patently ridiculous. If Islam is not a religion then what is it?

Incidently problems of Islam and the Western World could be put a long way towards solutions if the Islamic world would deal with modernity. Particularly if the Arabic speaking world would accept an encourage liberal freedoms regarding speech and intellect. We can debate what truly causes the repressions in the geographical areas but the case still remains that the lack of acceptance of modernity is at least one root cause of problems.

DC

Sindi

Well, I think you and Graymouser really exaggerated. If you claim that both religions are "death cults" then may be you can think carefully and answer these questions.

1.Why do not we hear about terrorists or radicals of Christianity and any other religions? Why it is always attached with the peaceful (?) ISLAM?

2.Honor killing is the most inhuman and most disgraceful act by any human standard.This horrendous episode is only present in the Muslim countries and Muslim societies.Tell me, please, why Muslims only perform this heinous act? Why this act is totally absent in Christianity any other religions?

3.Why Jihad belongs to only Islam?

4.Why it is the only Muslims committing the horrendous acts of suicide bombing? Why , for exemple, there is no suicide bomber evolved out of Christian-born Palestinians?

5.Punishments for the crime (like stealing, adultery, killings etc.) in Islamic paradise according to Allah’s laws are cutting/chopping hands, feet and even chopping heads, or stoning death and lashings one hundred and one times. My questions here are: could we find such ancient uncivilized/draconian laws in any other religions today? If the answer is no, then please tell us why?

And there are many other questions. I don't think at all that we can compare Christianity (or any other religion) to Islam.

And to answer the question for Ayman. Yes, we do understand Islam and that is why we do not accept it.

Corwin

We do.... or maybe you don't have abortion clinic bombers, the KKK and people like Timothy McVeigh where you're from?

They don't get as much press... but they also aren't as active.

Honor killings in that sense aren't even a muslim tradition. They're cultural traditions from the nations in question.

They're brutal and barbaric, but not specifically muslim.

Look at Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and ask me this question again with a straight face. Go on... go ahead.

In general, christians have moved on to other tactics.

Many (such as non-suicide bombings) are just as destructive.

In general, many other cultures have grown out of such barbaric practices. Christians used to practice similar 'punishments.' Secular law has made them unpalatable.

There are christians who would love to go back to them, however.

Two delusional worldviews that teach adherants that everyone outside their number is 'the other' and needs to be converted, by force if that's what it takes, and that they're going to disneyland after they die, especially if they die 'for their beliefs...'

Nah.... can't compare them at all.

River

-Ayman

Salaam,

Your belief in Islam is inspirational. However, you must realize that the audience here

1) Thinks that they are the " kaffirs' Of the Qur'an yet they don't know for sure, hence their hostility and frustration complex.

2) They believe that the mistakes and or/ inconsistences that are found in their Ex-Christian Bibles are also found in the Qur'an. This is some sort of fallacy...err

3) They believe that Islam does not improve the quality of life. They believe Islam oppresses women, when in actuality the oppression of woman is unfortunately universal. In the west women are exploited and marketed as "sexual"...and in the East they are second class....This is not a problem found in Islam but the world.


4) As self-proclaimed infidels they believe they have the right to defend themselves ...this leads to their wild and vivid imagination in which they see Islam as secularized.....Its not going to happen


5) Islam is the fastest growing religion ( and Ideology) in the world . Even if they don't convert to Islam , the chances are high that their descendents will. It is G-d's Will and the Qur'an says that Islam will become the predominant World Faith. The U.N predicts that 45% of the Worlds population will be Muslim by 2050. Samuel Huntington predicts that 33% of the World's population will be Muslim by 2020.

RIVER
ON HIATUS

River

Do you really believe Christianity is SUPERIOR to Islam...and why? Please elaborate.

River

The Arabic language reads from the right to the left. If you believe the Qur'an orders you to be killed you need a lesson in Islam 101.

Corwin

No.... we think that any religious belief that HAS 'kaffirs' is deplorable.

Except that it does. (Yes yes... I know... I've heard the 'proofs' that the Qur'an is scientifically accurate.... they fall apart when examined.)

Ah, the islamic view of western secularized women.... that they're made into 'whores' by western society because they've decided that they like orgasms. Yes of course... you're right. We should lock them up in hareems so they won't have sex with anybody but a husband.... yeah... that'll fly. We can wrap them in multiple layers of clothing too.... so that men (being the beasts we are) won't be tempted by their womanly bodies.... which I shouldn't even be talking about cuz it might give men ideas....

Of course we have the right to defend ourselves.... and if muslims and christians weren't such delusional twits we wouldn't have the NEED to.

Islam will secularize or it will whither away to insignificance. This is the way of the world. Secularization is the future.

Ah, but the major reason for this is that muslims breed a bit like rabbits. Once a number of muslim nations come out of the 12th century and discover birth control, (and give their women the freedom to actually demand it) this will change and you'll be left with your current tactic of converting convicts in prisons.

River