Chris Weimer

Except that much of the early Christian community was gentile converts, not Jews. The Nazarean sect was indeed a very small sect.

Cubeless Academian

What does any of that have to do with renouncing Judaism? And the last part isn't even true; Jesus continues to be referred to as Jesus even after his crucifixion.

First you say Jesus was a Christian, now you say the Catholics invented Christianity. Which is it?

In what sense are Roman Catholics "cold" and Mr. Graham "lukewarm"?

Chili

Jesus was not born a Jew if he was the reborn Joseph (which is what I hold he was). He was born to set the old image of Joseph free from the bondage of slavery and sin.

Jesus never lived as a Jew but as a Freeman who was in charge of his own destiny.

And Jesus was resurrected anything but a Jew . . . wherefore Judas was the missing apostle after resurrection.

Chili

Go to Mk.16 "Freer Logion" which is the only part of the Gospel that takes place after the resurrection and there Jesus is always and only addressed as Christ. Yes he may have been referred to as Jesus but that is not the same as a direct address.Because Jesus could have been any Jew who had reached his destiny in life after the purpose of Judaism. Based on the intricate details of this transformation mythmakers wrote the story and converted this into a new religion that later became known as Catholicism. Christianity never was a religion but is the end of both Judaism and Catholicism in Christendom where both Jews and Catholics live side by side with the hope to reach this ultimate destiny in life = heaven on earth and Jesus showed us the way with the words
"follow me" and this ultimate destiny is called "Christian-ity."

Those who claim to be Christian will have perverted the sound doctrine of either Judaism or Catholicism (which always was a persistent problem already in Judaism) and will end up in a premature rebirth that holds them captive beteen heaven and earth until they die (saved-sinner paradox). Catholics are cold because they do not claim to have been born again and do not have a personal relationship with Christ. That is to say, the Catholic religion does not "lead" its members into such a relationship because if they did it would be based on carnal desire and such a relationship would never allow us to become a spiritual mature Christian.

Billy Graham is just an example I used to show how protestants (some or most) will urge its members to have a personal relationship with Jesus (the famous "sinners prayer") and this will awaken their original God identity before its own time to leave them stranded in the lukewarm state of mind wherein they are both saved and sinner for the rest of their life and therefore will die nonetheless.

In its infinite wisdom the Catholic church knows that rebirth is a natural event that if left on its own to come about (be incipient of God via the Annunciation) will lead to a complete transformation (hot) and become heaven on earth = "victory over sin and never die" to say that they enter upon the "thousand year reign" which is contained in their own subconscious mind and therefore have eternal life in this reign of God for the second half of their life (metamorphosis is a midlife event by nature).

abe smith

We figured out some recent time back, ne'? that user *Chili* as here is really *AMOS* resurrected, isn't he? The hands are the hands of Esau, but the voice is the voice of Jacob; or how to win by cheating. Hence don't get all-bin-outa-shape trying to make sense of those assertions. :huh: :wave:

Bright Life

Also, keep in mind, by his own admission, this is a game to him.

BL

Chili

Right and I declared that when I first became Chili which was for good reason other than winning or cheating.

My post make perfect sense but since they are soo simple and straight forward they might not make sense to complicated religious minds.

Religion must be seen as a means to the end (salvation) and therefore I call it a game wherein we are the pawns to be moved towards the end. As I am a Determinist I hold that we are not in charge of our own destiny nor do I think that we can chose a religion that will work for us because we are the pawns to be moved by a greater mind than our own.

So it is not a game to me but it is only a game for those who do not see that it is just a game except that they are the sacrifice made in this game.

Yahzi

Ah, thank you very much.

Off to click the appropriate buttons now.

Bright Life

Um... :huh:

AMOS/Chili, what is your intent when posting this sort of thing?

BL

mrmoderate

Where do you come up with this stuff. {edited}