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Old 05-25-2004, 12:05 PM   #11
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Oh, yes, meteorology too.

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Darn near any modern agriculture.

Triticale, for example, is an artificial crop. It is a cross between wheat and rye, a cross made available because some bright people knew the crops were related, figured out that there was likely a polyploidal mutation in the past, and that another one (with the correct wheat) could allow cross-breeding.

I think state-of-the-art gene transfer for GMO crops is to make agribacteria do what it does naturally: transfer genes in the plants it infects. Just put the gene you want into the agribacteria, then let it do its thing. (I am working from memory here, so I may not have things completely correct).

Clearfield Sunflowers must not exist. They came about because of poor crop management practices (soy monocrop for at least 7 years, using the same herbicide each year) - nature finds a way to resist the herbicides given time.

Continuous improvement in crop and animal genetics - presumably with a creationist model, the crops and animals are as good as they will ever be.

Concerns about antibiotic resistant bacteria due to feeding antibiotics to livestock - no new "information" can come about.

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Virtually everything in modern Astronomy has to be rejected by a YEC. About the only thing that is left is studying planetary orbits. In a 6,000 year old universe, we would know nothing about how stars work, what galaxies are (or that they even exist!), planetary formation, etc.
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Concerns about antibiotic resistant bacteria due to feeding antibiotics to livestock - no new "information" can come about.

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On that note, Jonathan sarfati (as socrates on TWeb) advocates large scale use of DHT (or is it DDT) to get rid of mosquitoes, assuming of course that they will not become resistant, or if some of them are resistant then they will become "genetically weaker". scary.
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On that note, Jonathan sarfati (as socrates on TWeb) advocates large scale use of DHT (or is it DDT) to get rid of mosquitoes, assuming of course that they will not become resistant, or if some of them are resistant then they will become "genetically weaker". scary.
This is the kind of thing that we should point out when people ask us why we seem to think that it is important to promote good science education.

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On that note, Jonathan sarfati (as socrates on TWeb) advocates large scale use of DHT (or is it DDT) to get rid of mosquitoes, assuming of course that they will not become resistant, or if some of them are resistant then they will become "genetically weaker". scary.


You sure? Surely nobody is that stupid...? Not because of assuming mozzies would not become resistant, but because that already bloody well have! DDT's widespread use started c1945, and as early as the 50s the dosage was having to be doubled and tripled because the mosquitoes were resistant.

(DHT is, I think, an androgen hormone involved in hair loss.)

Incidentally, a quick fact-checking Google turned up some interesting and useful tutorials to accompany Mark Ridley's Evolution textbook (which is the 'other' staple text for the subject after Futuyma's). They start here:
www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/tutorials/

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i've been talking to a YEC who seems quite reasonable and willing to learn. during our conversation, she said "Just b/c some people believe in creationism doesn't mean they reject everything science states". well, perhaps not EVERYTHING, but virtually everything. she later asked me for specific examples, and i'd love to put together a list of major scientific theories / facts / concepts that creationists must reject in order to accept YE creationism. so would anyone like to help me get the list started? thanks in advance.
I think YEC's should stop buying gasoline on moral grounds, as discovery of gasoline is heavily (although not quite entirely) dependent on the use of stratigraphy, biostratigraphy, and the geological column.
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On that note, Jonathan sarfati (as socrates on TWeb) advocates large scale use of DHT (or is it DDT) to get rid of mosquitoes, assuming of course that they will not become resistant, or if some of them are resistant then they will become "genetically weaker". scary.
Got a URL for that claim? I'd love to archive that one.

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Madness. If this is true, its very silly indeed.

Not only because the mozzies would become resistant for almost certain (does this man learn no lessons from the history of biological control? Never heard of myxamatosis?), but also mozzies, as with any species, are likely to exist in a web of evolved inter-species ecological relationships, a disturbance in which would have highly unpredictable results. Perhaps he's not learned any lessons from the history of modern species extinctions, either.
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