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Old 09-10-2004, 05:13 AM   #81
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If i remember right, tis you and shven who are adamant that there has not been and could not be anykind of Goddess oriented egalitarian culture?.....well, no wonder you feel that, because you dont seem to be able to FEEL. your feeling seems to end at your skin is what i meant. empathy isn't just '
mental' it is organismic. when the air is polluted...when the psychological environment is oppressive, whole body must feel it. but what has happened is that our educatioanl indoctrination makes body DULL. it separates head from body. it is oppressive. it dulls the spirit.
In other words: You're oppressed if you ignore the traditional meaning of oppressed. Congratulations. How wonderful for you. Did you know I'm a village if I ignore the traditional meaning of the word village?

And I never said that no egalitarian matriarchal culture existed. I merely stated that there is no reason to believe it existed. If you can give me a reason for believing it existed besides some tat about 'goddess' figures (which prove nothing - they could be anything from children's toys to the ancient equivalent of pornography) or some wishy washy rubbish about intuitiveness then I will reconsider that statement.

And please dont assume that just because I disagree with you I must be in favour of patriarchy (which I'm not) or obsessed with intellectualism (which I'm not) or devoid of any kind of poetic thought (which I'm not)
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Old 09-10-2004, 06:08 AM   #82
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no it isn't 'wnoderfull' that's why i feel oppressed...like i keep saying. it is total disrespect to say to anyone 'you do not feel oppressed' when they tell you they do. that is fascism

i am not being dramatic. i hardly believe this debate of other adults telling me what it is i am allowed to feel, or them interpreting what it is i can feel.
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about old objects of the Goddess and Hermaphrodite being prono-dolls. well, pleasse.......that is using modern understanidng ansd using it to understand more ancinet ways. the whole notion of porn has grown from th patriarchal split between body and mind. where covering up the arse--for example, then become aftshized be cause it becomes a social taboo to show it etc etc etc
the idea of those ancient objects being mini prototype blow up dolls is ludicrous. but you are entitled to your opinion. i am not claiming you haven't FELT it
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Old 09-10-2004, 08:06 AM   #83
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no it isn't 'wnoderfull' that's why i feel oppressed...like i keep saying. it is total disrespect to say to anyone 'you do not feel oppressed' when they tell you they do. that is fascism
Fascism my ass. It is disrespect to the people living under dictators who actually are oppressed for you to claim oppression while sitting in your nice little 1st world democracy eating your legal mushrooms.

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i am not being dramatic. i hardly believe this debate of other adults telling me what it is i am allowed to feel, or them interpreting what it is i can feel. if you were in front of me and continued along this line no doubt i would give you a slap...
I couldn't care less whether you feel oppressed. I am merely pointing out that unless you twist the word 'oppressed' beyond recognition you are not oppressed. <edited by Grizzly>


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about old objects of the Goddess and Hermaphrodite being prono-dolls. well, pleasse.......that is using modern understanidng ansd using it to understand more ancinet ways. the whole notion of porn has grown from th patriarchal split between body and mind. where covering up the arse--for example, then become aftshized be cause it becomes a social taboo to show it etc etc etc
the idea of those ancient objects being mini prototype blow up dolls is ludicrous. but you are entitled to your opinion. i am not claiming you haven't FELT it
It was a silly example, but once again you have missed the point. My point is that nobody knows what they were for. I dont think they are the ancient equivalent of porn - I was merely using it as an example of the fact that we have no way of knowing what they are.

Oh, and 'the Goddess' didn't turn up on the scene until the 20th century so they cant be statues of her.
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What....?

Shven and others that are debating your flawed statements have made good points. Or are you feeling offended because he is telling the truth? Therefore, you prefer to rely on insults and twist his words instead of facing reality.

It is just that Lulay...you distort facts so they agree with your beliefs, despite the fact that the distortion is irrelevant and wrong.
Shven and others have already told you this, and still you keep ducking the issue or don’t think outside the box. :banghead:
Analogy; no matter the fact that x believes that the earth is flat, the earth won’t become flat because it isn’t and that is a fact.

And honestly, I feel enraged that you are saying that you are being oppressed when you aren’t.
It is an insult to those who are really oppressed.
You want to see oppression? Why don’t you go to a third world nation, then?
Hey, look at Sudan lately.

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OK, now you just don't know what you're talking about. Egypt had pornography three thousand no four thousand years ago. Fact. What, oh, you thought it was modern oppression of women? OK, now you need to grow up and look at the real world.

If I did everything on gut feeling/intuition, there would be a whole lotta dead people around me. People need to balance emotion with logic, something you seem incapable of doing.

Now for a little lesson in oppression: I could say I'm oppressed far more than you can ever: I was molested as a child, I was born into a terroristic sex-cult, my parents abused me physically and mentally, I was forced to take Prozac for an illness I never had (I feel the same as I always do, but my everlasting quest for peace and solitude was mistaken for depression), I went to jail, I went to boot camp, I fought the law and the law won, I am an orphan and had to support myself since I was yonug.

Yeah, take your little feelings about not taking drugs and the atmosphere depleting and shove it, literally. We all have to face this problem. We all live under the same roof. I am not oppressed. OPPRESSED is not a feeling, it is a status, it is the perfect passive participle of the word to oppress. It is not a feeling. Depressed is a feeling. If the world troubles are getting you down, go ahead and feel depressed about it. As for me, I am doing my part as an activist to fight the causes in which I believe in. What are you doing? Drugs? Sickening, just sickening. <edited by Grizzly>
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