Deavonreye

As a side note to my topic, . . .I find it rather odd that the fictional story of Adam and Eve has the god kicking them "out of paradise", . . . yet into an imperfect land, . . . also created by the same god.

Anyway, the Devil, Satan, or Lucifer wasn't really all that bad, when I did my search. The biblical god did FAR more violence and killed WAY more people.

Sheshbazzar

Seeing as no one else has thought to mention it, the HEBREW for 'Lucifer' is הילל (Read right to left)
funny enough, basically 'H-E-double Hockey Sticks!'
-or H-E-L-L for those who don't read Hebrew or get the drift.

Admittedly the addition of the Masoretic vowel points produce the pronunciation 'heylel' but were not inserted into the text until many centuries latter.

Lugubert

Another thing not yet mentioned is that in some Bibles, including the Vulgate and my Swedish versions, there is no mentioning of "Lucifer" at all. The "lightbringer" is translated as "the morning star". (Some versions mention heylāl "the crescent moon", but I think that alternative is mainly discarded.)

Chili

I always thought that lucifers were made from sulpher to provide a 'little light' so that people can 'see' when burning bible passages, that finally becomes an addiction to the smoke of burning sulpher that they call theology to make it legal as an addiction. Is that not what Rev.14:10-11 is all about?

Tacita

Wasn't "Lucifer" the king of Babylon's nickname at the time, and that's who they're talking about in that passage?

Toto

Correct

Lucifer

Sheshbazzar

Thank you Toto.
My view is that Jeebus represents a false and deceiving 'g-d' the anti-messiah, and is therefore even as admitted in Revelations, הילל 'Hell' and 'Lucifer', That great liar and deceiver of men, doomed to be cast into the fiery pit in The End of Days.
Do not take this statement overly literally. (I don't) It is simply a colorful poetical way of expressing that this creepy zombie Jeebus character will eventually be utterly vanquished and destroyed.

Chili

That makes sense as religion 'flashes images fo realty' but itself is not the light. But that is good too, because out of religion the Lamb of God must be born to liberate the Son of Man, and Jesus is the liberator but not the Son of Man, and so is the way but not the end.

So there is nothing wrong with Jesus, or with Lucifer as agents but not as ends. Lucifer is the nengative stand against which salvation must be found = faith seeking understanding by way of doubt = inner determination based on flashcards from religion.

Dave31

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Satan / Devil / Lucifer