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Old 07-30-2012, 12:08 AM   #41
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Maybe we should lighten up the mood with possibly the worst song ever recorded in the history of music.

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The limited utility of scholarly consensus

Scholarly consensus in any field has somewhat limited usefulness. It tells us what most people think within a given field at a given time, but does it really give us an insight on fundamental, universal truths? Probably not, but it at least gives us a starting point.

A little over seven years ago Mark Goodacre at his NT Blog asked, “What is consensus?” Tied up in that question, of course, are related questions pertaining to how we determine consensus, what is its value, whom do we ask, and so on. By all means, if you haven’t read it, you should, and while you’re at it, you should check out his follow-up post, “Less of a consensus on consensus.” It’s unfortunate that some of the links Dr. Goodacre refers to are no longer available. At the bottom of this post, I’ll provide a list of alternate links made possible by the Internet Wayback Machine.
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Maybe we should lighten up the mood with possibly the worst song ever recorded in the history of music.

What you have shown is the WORST POLL conducted in history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Built_This_City

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"We Built This City" is a song written by Bernie Taupin, Martin Page, Dennis Lambert, and Peter Wolf, and originally recorded by the American rock group Starship and released as its debut single on August 1, 1985.

The single version reached number one on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 on November 16, 1985, and also number one on the U.S. Top Rock Tracks chart and number twelve in the United Kingdom....
This a perfect example where Opinion CONTRADICTS the actual DATA and is PROVEN to be in Error yet accepted as valid.

"We Built this City" could NOT be the worst song ever recorded in the history of music once it was Number One in the USA, Canada and Australia.

Amazingly, the worst recorded songs were NOT considered when We built this City was nominated for the worst recorded song.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Buil...s_of_the_1980s

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....In order to qualify for the distinction, the songs on the list had to be a popular hit at some point, thus disqualifying many songs that would by consensus be considered much worse.....
The worse recorded songs were DISQUALIFIED from the poll!!!!

We have before us the WORSE POLL ever conducted in history.
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The limited utility of scholarly consensus

Scholarly consensus in any field has somewhat limited usefulness. It tells us what most people think within a given field at a given time, but does it really give us an insight on fundamental, universal truths? Probably not, but it at least gives us a starting point.

A little over seven years ago Mark Goodacre at his NT Blog asked, “What is consensus?” Tied up in that question, of course, are related questions pertaining to how we determine consensus, what is its value, whom do we ask, and so on. By all means, if you haven’t read it, you should, and while you’re at it, you should check out his follow-up post, “Less of a consensus on consensus.” It’s unfortunate that some of the links Dr. Goodacre refers to are no longer available. At the bottom of this post, I’ll provide a list of alternate links made possible by the Internet Wayback Machine.
Amazingly, the very people who ridicule "Consensus" are the same people who rely on it to claim the Pauline writings are early.

It is most mind boggling that even Scholars only accept a supposed "consensus" when it agrees with their position.

Now, what is the actual evidence for the supposed consensus that the Pauline writings were composed before c 70 CE????

It is NOT the Pauline letters.

It is NOT Acts of the Apostles.


It is Irenaeus--the Guy who did NOT even know when Pilate was governor of Judea.

The supposed consensus is based on Irenaeus whose claims about the authorship, dating and chronology of books in the NT have been REJECTED by the very same Scholars.
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"Adequate opportunity?" Perhaps. Adequate response from members here is quite lacking, however.
You had adequate response when you first proposed your unfalsifiable theory, but you didn't provide adequate understanding of the problems you have placed before you, so you didn't give adequate consideration of those problems meaning that you didn't show adequate reason for anyone to continue further with your eisegetical exercise.
Yet another non-response, and like all the others providing no link for your side.

You don't even say which theory of mine you responded to, my main theory of seven written gospel eyewitness records or the subsidiary you chose, my six layers in gMark.

Nor do I recall that you EVER engaged my minimalist theory of four non-supernatural accounts that refuted mythicism. (The rest of my theses could be disregarded automatically by atheists, though of course still open for discussion on BCH by its nature.)

And in general FEDB responses attacked my methodology as if I am (or anyone is) still bound by long-abandoned Form Criticism.
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Scholarly consensus in any field has somewhat limited usefulness. It tells us what most people think within a given field at a given time, but does it really give us an insight on fundamental, universal truths? Probably not, but it at least gives us a starting point.

A little over seven years ago Mark Goodacre at his NT Blog asked, “What is consensus?” Tied up in that question, of course, are related questions pertaining to how we determine consensus, what is its value, whom do we ask, and so on. By all means, if you haven’t read it, you should, and while you’re at it, you should check out his follow-up post, “Less of a consensus on consensus.” It’s unfortunate that some of the links Dr. Goodacre refers to are no longer available. At the bottom of this post, I’ll provide a list of alternate links made possible by the Internet Wayback Machine.
I have been touting myself as having an advantage over such methodologists as Vorkosigan because I am a contrarian. I have been mentioning that that enabled me to set aside Form Criticism and proceed independently. Another unexamined consensus discussed above was Bauckham's overturning of the assumption that locality was critical to development of the gospels. In a personal letter to me from J. Edgar Bruns 32 years ago he told me the question of scholars was not "when" or "who" but "where". (Maybe it was just my lucky guess that I ignored the "where" question then, and 30 years later the "where" answers came to me.)
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"Adequate opportunity?" Perhaps. Adequate response from members here is quite lacking, however.
You had adequate response when you first proposed your unfalsifiable theory, but you didn't provide adequate understanding of the problems you have placed before you, so you didn't give adequate consideration of those problems meaning that you didn't show adequate reason for anyone to continue further with your eisegetical exercise.
Yet another non-response, and like all the others providing no link for your side.
What do you expect when you have failed dismally to demonstrate your eye witlesses, to show that you actually can individuate separate sources? The only person who cannot see your inability to supply substantive evidence is you. Quoting other people's opinions to reinforce your initial assumptions gets you nowhere other than by providing a little self-stimulation that your not alone with your lack of substance.

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You don't even say which theory of mine you responded to, my main theory of seven written gospel eyewitness records or the subsidiary you chose, my six layers in gMark.
At which point in a house of cards does one need to point at??

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Nor do I recall that you EVER engaged my minimalist theory of four non-supernatural accounts that refuted mythicism. (The rest of my theses could be disregarded automatically by atheists, though of course still open for discussion on BCH by its nature.)

And in general FEDB responses attacked my methodology as if I am (or anyone is) still bound by long-abandoned Form Criticism.
Form criticism? Maybe text criticism.

Your faecesthesis gets disregarded by its automatic assumption of its conclusions. You've sprayed lists of numbers across this forum like a cat trying to mark out territory. You've ignored everything that anyone has said in criticism of your stuff and assumed its correctness, referring back to it as citable material. I mean really, do you think that this is any way to proceed in sustaining a hypothesis??
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Have you written anything more specific on the garbagish nature of dr. Carrier's book?
No. I was waiting on his responses to some questions. Now that I have those, I am working on the issues in question. But Carrier is no fool. He is a competent, intelligent individual whose knowledge of epistemology and logic is not lacking. How do I explain the problems with his use of Bayes' to those without a background in mathematics and historiography?
Well, let me know when you're going to write anything substantive regarding his book.
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