ten to the eleventh

No, you said "people." I took it as all over the world.

ten to the eleventh

So Magus, would there be any time, if you could live indefinitely, that you would say that the rapture, or the "the end" was not going to happen? If you lived to the year 2525, as they said, would you think then that it was still about to happen? What about the year 6510, when people might have populated several other planets, contacted extraterrestrial intelligence, and overcome disease?

The "prophetic" year 2000 has passed, and so is the "prophetic" year of 2004 about to. When would you say we could quit anticipating the imminent "end?"

What about the year 850,000?

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

In his defense Magus55 doesn't say Americans, at least not
here He just says that 95% of the United States might be Raptured. Which is false. [ and might be where the confusion sneaked in]

Hey, noone is attacking people, but a person. Throwing out misinformation like that might cause people to think your a false prophet or somethig

Psychophobia

Has anyone here read the Left Behind Books? They're supposed to be about the Rapture and 7-year Tribulation peariod that follows. I bought the first one a week ago and have just finished it today. According to the book, there is a "literal" Rapture where several people (all children, "true Christians," and even unborn babies) vanish into thin air. Just like that. Some of the dissapearences are caught on tape and you can see people there one second, and then they're gone, their clothes falling in a pile in a pile on the floor. (They went naked?). The people who were left behind, were not "true Christians" and therefore did not go to heaven. The seven years that follow will be very hard for them because it's the Tribulation, and if they want to go to heaven they have a second chance to change. It's really interesting and Left Behind #1 has lots of info on the Rapture if anyone wants to know more about it.

Asha'man

Our beloved Queen of Swords read at least one, and produced this Review

Kosh

I'll bet they weren't Scottish either!

CJD

It's real simple, folks. Let's not let LaHaye & co. define the parameters of sound interpretive criticism. What is described above metaphorically would have been taken for granted (understood as common sense) by any reader of the first century (not to mention up to the 14th): Just as a king is met outside of the city by his subjects and ushered into it, so too will be the return of King Jesus. It's about coming to establish a visible kingdom on earth — not abandoning it.

Whatever form the actual return takes, make no mistake: all that Paul intended to say in the passage above is that at Jesus' "appearing" those who are still alive will be "transformed" so that their mortal bodies will become incorruptible. The extra-metaphors are there to enhance the message, that's all.

Regards,

CJD

CJD

Indeed, it is trans-denominational.

Usually what is emphasized is the simple the need for "a personal relationship with Jesus." The particulars come after they get you "in."

This is an American thing, not particularly evangelical.

Not really, that is, not by folks who know better. Evangelicals, while coming out of the fundamentalist movement, can no longer be considered "fundamentalist." What is more, the large majority have always considered their secondary duty to be a concern with social issues (markedly different than fundamentalists).

Not so much any more, which is why the two (fund. and evang.) ought to be distinguished. I'm not saying that Evangelicals don't hold to inerrancy; I am saying that it is not deemed the issue as it is for fundamentalists.

Also, fundamentalists are "second-degree separationists" (if not third or fourth), which simply means that not only do they separate themselves from those with whom they disagree, they also separate themselves from those who do not actively oppose those with whom they disagree.

To be sure, the lines are still very fuzzy — especially south of the Mason-Dixon, but I think our friend from the Svens kakyrkan would find more in common with the Evangelical than the Fundamentalist.

Regards,

CJD

Boro Nut

Yes. It's ages since anyone had three digit numbers. He's probably changed it loads of times since then. Apart from the Police of course, and they do have the odd beast among them. Did you get his badge number? Perhaps that would give you a lead to which station he worked in.

Boro Nut

Boro Nut

I think this whole story stems from WWII. While Germany used Lord Haw Haw to say that soon 95% of England would be captured, the Japanese tried a similar thing on America using Muttley.

Boro Nut