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Old 07-24-2008, 05:20 PM   #121
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I don't think christianity can be blamed considering the direct commandment from Jesus "love your neighbor as you love yourself" so the kings violated several laws of christianity and thus acted independently of it.
So YOU promoted Cardinal Torquemada to the rank of "king?" Who gave you that authority?
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I don't think christianity can be blamed considering the direct commandment from Jesus "love your neighbor as you love yourself" so the kings violated several laws of christianity and thus acted independently of it.
So YOU promoted Cardinal Torquemada to the rank of "king?" Who gave you that authority?
I think the point dlb is trying to make here is that no true scotsman christian would do that because true scotsmen christians don't do such things.
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:30 PM   #123
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actually considering my beliefs I can blame atheism and not religion, you on the other hand are in an entierly different boat, further more it might be a 'blanket statement' but it is a blanket statement backed by evidence and facts.
I'd like to see your definition of "evidence" and "facts" because by normal consensus they equate to unproven assertion and outright lie.

Simple challenge for you, find a Stalinist death sentence or persecution order which specifies crimes against the atheist agenda. He saw off millions so it shouldn't be too hard to find one amongst all those punishments for supporting trotskyism, showing bourgeois tendencies, sabotaging the economy, etc.

On the other hand the pope called for the crusades, the inquisition was run by the church, they couldn't be more deeply involved.
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:45 PM   #124
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So your essentially insusceptible to reason. You could have just said that in the beginning instead of wasting everyone's time.
ah yes the ad hom logical fallacy, I am insusceptible to reason because of my beliefs. Nice logical fallacy. Your logical fallacious assertoin couldn't be more further than the truth.
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I think the point dlb is trying to make here is that no true scotsman christian would do that because true scotsmen christians don't do such things.
I think you are appealing to my beliefs which is logically fallacious.

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actually considering my beliefs I can blame atheism and not religion, you on the other hand are in an entierly different boat, further more it might be a 'blanket statement' but it is a blanket statement backed by evidence and facts.
I'd like to see your definition of "evidence" and "facts" because by normal consensus they equate to unproven assertion and outright lie.

Simple challenge for you, find a Stalinist death sentence or persecution order which specifies crimes against the atheist agenda. He saw off millions so it shouldn't be too hard to find one amongst all those punishments for supporting trotskyism, showing bourgeois tendencies, sabotaging the economy, etc.

On the other hand the pope called for the crusades, the inquisition was run by the church, they couldn't be more deeply involved.
My definition of evidence and facts is called historical evidence, ya know the things you fail to provide when you make assertions. A simple review of my posts in this thread will show you plenty of evidence to back my assertions.

Your challenge is a bogus one, I don't even need to do that. Stalin was an atheist, stalinism has atheist qualities, marxism is inseperable from atheism and stalinism is derived from marxism, stalin circumvented atheism through schools and media as well, further more evidnece that atheism is involved is historical. over the course of 1,000 years around 1700 christian dictators were not able to kill as many people as 58 atheists could in 90 years. Evidence and facts, something you lack in abundence.
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So your essentially insusceptible to reason. You could have just said that in the beginning instead of wasting everyone's time.
ah yes the ad hom logical fallacy, I am insusceptible to reason because of my beliefs. Nice logical fallacy. Your logical fallacious assertoin couldn't be more further than the truth.
Its only an Ad Hominem when an irrelevant personal premise is presented. My post is not irrelevant. You stated that your position was based off of your faith, something which is illogical and not based on reason.
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Your challenge is a bogus one, I don't even need to do that. Stalin was an atheist, stalinism has atheist qualities, marxism is inseperable from atheism and stalinism is derived from marxism, stalin circumvented atheism through schools and media as well, further more evidnece that atheism is involved is historical. over the course of 1,000 years around 1700 christian dictators were not able to kill as many people as 58 atheists could in 90 years. Evidence and facts, something you lack in abundence.
But there is no reason to think that atheism, in and of itself, was responsible for religious persecutions. Besides, when pagan Romans executed Christians, they shouted "away with these atheists!" since the Christians did not believe in the pagan gods.
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ah yes the ad hom logical fallacy, I am insusceptible to reason because of my beliefs. Nice logical fallacy. Your logical fallacious assertoin couldn't be more further than the truth.
Its only an Ad Hominem when an irrelevant personal premise is presented. My post is not irrelevant. You stated that your position was based off of your faith, something which is illogical and not based on reason.
ya that position in that post was, but it is illogical to think i am insusceptible to reason because of that. Which is what you did.
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Your challenge is a bogus one, I don't even need to do that. Stalin was an atheist, stalinism has atheist qualities, marxism is inseperable from atheism and stalinism is derived from marxism, stalin circumvented atheism through schools and media as well, further more evidnece that atheism is involved is historical. over the course of 1,000 years around 1700 christian dictators were not able to kill as many people as 58 atheists could in 90 years. Evidence and facts, something you lack in abundence.
But there is no reason to think that atheism, in and of itself, was responsible for religious persecutions. Besides, when pagan Romans executed Christians, they shouted "away with these atheists!" since the Christians did not believe in the pagan gods.
yes there is, there is plenty genesis. One reason I can think that is because 1700 christian dictators in 1,000 years have not put up a body count as high as atheist 58 dictators in 90 years.
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ya that position in that post was, but it is illogical to think i am insusceptible to reason because of that. Which is what you did.
No, my statement that you are insusceptible to reason was based off your other posts in this thread...
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