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Ben C Smith · 11-26-2008, 10:57 AM

Okaaaay.

I like poetry as much as the next fellow, but rarely if ever would choose poetry as a medium for debating biblical issues. (Some of the posts on this thread can explain why this is so more eloquently than I could.)

Ben.

Sheshbazzar · 11-26-2008, 11:22 AM

Nothing being debated in or by the "poetry",
either one see, hears, and understands,
or one does not.
The wind that moves,
will continue to move,
whether perceived or not,
blowing right over the heads
of goyim.

Someone want to take up a debate on the meaning and application of shibboleth?
Or the origin and meaning of Nazarene?

Sheshbazzar · 11-26-2008, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-D

Either you have a view about the origin of the Nazarenes you speak of which you are able and willing to communicate, or else you don't. I think it really has to be one or the other.

Either you have stopped beating your wife, or you have not. Are you able and willing to admit to it now or not?
I think it really has to be one or the other.

The question posed was a "loaded question", one which deserved no answer "one" way or "the other".

Certainly I have a view, but I will not compromise it by simple binary "yes" or "no" answers to loaded questions.
And whatever I may choose to communicate concerning those views will be on my own terms.

J-D · 11-26-2008, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-D

Either you have a view about the origin of the Nazarenes you speak of which you are able and willing to communicate, or else you don't. I think it really has to be one or the other.

Either you have stopped beating your wife, or you have not. Are you able and willing to admit to it now or not?
I think it really has to be one or the other.

The question posed was a "loaded question", one which deserved no answer "one" way or "the other".

Certainly I have a view, but I will not compromise it by simple binary "yes" or "no" answers to loaded questions.
And whatever I may choose to communicate concerning those views will be on my own terms.

The presuppositions with which the question 'Have you stopped beating your wife?' is loaded are that you have a wife and that you used to beat her. If these presuppositions are acknowledged by all parties to be true, the question ceases to be loaded in an unfair way. Of course, if these presupposition are not acknowledged by all parties to be true, then the question is unfairly loaded.

The presupposition with the question 'What is your view?' is loaded is that you have a view. In this particular instance, I don't see how that's an unfair presupposition. But just in case it is, I shall ask you a different question.

Do you have a view about the origin of the Nazarenes you speak of?

(Now I'm presupposing that you did speak of Nazarenes. Is that an unfair presupposition?)

Sheshbazzar · 11-26-2008, 03:41 PM

Yes

J-D · 11-26-2008, 03:49 PM

What is that view?

mountainman · 11-26-2008, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-D

Either you have a view about the origin of the Nazarenes you speak of which you are able and willing to communicate, or else you don't. I think it really has to be one or the other.

Either you have stopped beating your wife, or you have not. Are you able and willing to admit to it now or not?
I think it really has to be one or the other.

The question posed was a "loaded question", one which deserved no answer "one" way or "the other".

Certainly I have a view, but I will not compromise it by simple binary "yes" or "no" answers to loaded questions.
And whatever I may choose to communicate concerning those views will be on my own terms.

Dear Shesh,

Well said.

Best wishes,

Pete

mountainman · 11-26-2008, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-D

The presuppositions with which
If these presuppositions are acknowledged
Of course, if these presupposition are not acknowledged
The presupposition with the question
an unfair presupposition.
(Now I'm presupposing that...)
Is that an unfair presupposition?)

Dear J-D,

An open mind does not presuppose.

Best wishes,

Pete

J-D · 11-26-2008, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainman

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-D

The presuppositions with which
If these presuppositions are acknowledged
Of course, if these presupposition are not acknowledged
The presupposition with the question
an unfair presupposition.
(Now I'm presupposing that...)
Is that an unfair presupposition?)

Dear J-D,

An open mind does not presuppose.

Best wishes,

Pete

You are confusing an open mind with an empty one.

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11-26-2008, 10:57 AM	#491
Ben C Smith Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 4,787	Okaaaay. I like poetry as much as the next fellow, but rarely if ever would choose poetry as a medium for debating biblical issues. (Some of the posts on this thread can explain why this is so more eloquently than I could.) Ben.

11-26-2008, 11:22 AM	#492
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Nothing being debated in or by the "poetry", either one see, hears, and understands, or one does not. The wind that moves, will continue to move, whether perceived or not, blowing right over the heads of goyim. Someone want to take up a debate on the meaning and application of shibboleth? Or the origin and meaning of Nazarene?

11-26-2008, 03:41 PM	#495
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Yes

11-26-2008, 03:49 PM	#496
J-D Moderator - General Religious Discussions Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New South Wales Posts: 27,330	What is that view?

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