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Amaleq13 · 04-21-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomeister

I'm usually good with 80's music trivia, but you stumped me.
What is it?

Shriekback (XTC "reborn") in a song called Nemesis.

Tangent killed

Johnny Scholar · 04-22-2005, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Godless Wonder

Wow, It is difficult for me to imagine being in the situation you find yourself in. I'm guessing you don't imagine yourself still doing this job ten years from now. Here's hoping you are able to find a smooth easy transition to something more suitable and better sometime not too terribly long from now, and that it isn't too disruptive in your personal relationships.

you guess correctly. i cant do this much longer. im holding on for now because im living on the momentum of 12 years of building this career.

Johnny Scholar · 04-22-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by John A. Broussard

Don't listen to these goats. You are much better off as a sheep. Why do you want to reconcile the birth of Christ with the OT? Just believe. You'll be a lot more comfortable if you just forget all of your doubts. Science and logic are for doubters, religion for believers.

After all, if the White Queen could believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast, you should be able to handle just one.

Wha-a-a-a-a-t?? See, i dont know if you are serious... cuz i dont know you. on the one hand, what you say is obviously horse shit. but people say this stuff in earnest all the time.

Julian · 04-22-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Scholar

Wha-a-a-a-a-t??

I believe he is referring to this:

"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
Alice in Wonderland

Julian

Johnny Scholar · 04-22-2005, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

[Nitpick] The "Immaculate Conception" does not refer to the conception of Jesus but of Mary. Catholic doctrine is that Mary herself was conceived without original sin. The IC is not in the bible but then again, neither is original sin. [/nitpick]

Other than that, I enjoyed the OP. That sounds like a tough situation. I don't think I could do it.

sorry, my catholic dogma is rusty. i never saw the distinction until now. thanks for the correction.

Johnny Scholar · 04-22-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomeister

It took a lot of courage for you to question the virgin birth in your class. It's possible you might lose your job for it, but as far as I can see it, keeping your job might be worse.

Boomeister

no, no, no. don't misunderstand. im a gutless turd, man. i didnt say any of this in the class. i only thought it.

Clivedurdle · 04-22-2005, 09:39 AM

May I recommend "walk away from fundamentalism?"

You might soon have major career and life changes to make, and you need to be aware of the repercussions.

A recent Archishop of York - David ? got into real trouble by calling the virgin birth mythological in the anglican church, so it is possible to believe it is a myth and be a xian, but to be honest you have opened pandora's box by wanting to stick with truth. The truth will set you free but it is very different truth to a religious concept of truth.

If the virgin birth is mythological, maybe the person who was born is mythical as well.

Live long and prosper!

Johnny Scholar · 04-22-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by judge

I am happy to show you why it is obvious and clear matthew does not quote the LXX, he either paraphrses or quotes something that sometimes agrees with the LXX and sometimes disagrees with it.

please show me. i want to know more.

Johnny Scholar · 04-22-2005, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by judge

If M atthew quotes the LXX why doesn't he do so consistently?

There are many more examples. I'll grant that the image I potsed does have virgin wrongly in the Hebrew translation but the images are still helpful.

this seems to me beside the whole point. the point is that the septuagint misinterpreted the hebrew text. matthew followed suit.

Johnny Scholar · 04-22-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by judge

If you are "testing everything" then how do you suddenly have the final nail, without testing your theory? :huh:

you might show a little grace on figures of speech, man. in the meantime, i will try to work on the precision of my speech. there are no, nor never will be "final nails" for me as long as i can think.

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04-22-2005, 09:39 AM	#27
Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	May I recommend "walk away from fundamentalism?" You might soon have major career and life changes to make, and you need to be aware of the repercussions. A recent Archishop of York - David ? got into real trouble by calling the virgin birth mythological in the anglican church, so it is possible to believe it is a myth and be a xian, but to be honest you have opened pandora's box by wanting to stick with truth. The truth will set you free but it is very different truth to a religious concept of truth. If the virgin birth is mythological, maybe the person who was born is mythical as well. Live long and prosper!

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