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Old 08-31-2008, 12:59 PM   #1
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Over on talkrational, a poster commented that the traditional abrahamic gods were impossible, but some sorts of gods were logical and therefore you should be agnostic about these gods.

What are the characteristics of these allegedly reasonable gods? What are their ecosystems? What mathematical sets of gods would they belong to?
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Over on talkrational, a poster commented that the traditional abrahamic gods were impossible, but some sorts of gods were logical and therefore you should be agnostic about these gods.

What are the characteristics of these allegedly reasonable gods? What are their ecosystems? What mathematical sets of gods would they belong to?
I do not have any reason to believe that conditional.

A supernatural creator is not logically impossible. So, some broad definition of god is just fine.
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A supernatural creator is not logically impossible. So, some broad definition of god is just fine.
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Is a supernatural electron also not logically impossible? Would a broad definition also be suitable?
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Yes, it's not a contradiction.

I don't know if a broad definition of electron would suffice.
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It's also not illogical by itself for me to be God, for everything to have formed one second ago, for everyone except me to be a figment of my imagination, for the poster on talkrational to be someone who's going to destroy the world ...
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Yes, it's not a contradiction.

I don't know if a broad definition of electron would suffice.
Could that electron also be a god?
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Yes, it's not a contradiction.

I don't know if a broad definition of electron would suffice.
Could that electron also be a god?
It's logically possible I guess. Depends on definitions.
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Plausable gods? Perhaps a species somewhere in the eternity of time (an original natural universe?) developed quantum computing, became so advanced as to be indistinguishable from gods, and they are generating an infinite number of universes - ours being one of them. :huh:
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Plausable gods? Perhaps a species somewhere in the eternity of time (an original natural universe?) developed quantum computing, became so advanced as to be indistinguishable from gods, and they are generating an infinite number of universes - ours being one of them. :huh:
It's possible :devil1:
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but some sorts of gods were logical and therefore you should be agnostic about these gods.
I'm guessing that 'agnostic,' here, means willing to posit that the universe may not be completely devoid of such beings? Offered as an argument, i suppose, because they hold to a definition of atheism that is always strong atheism and feel that such a position is unwarranted?

I would say that it is logically possible that my sons have kidnapped a baby elephant and hidden it in their room. It would account for the smell, if nothing else. On the other hand, i have seen no actual evidence that the baby elephant, a logical god, or an illogical god exists. I see no problem with rejecting the first and remaining atheistic on the latter two.
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