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Old 03-31-2009, 02:06 AM   #171
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Did Jesus ever state that he was God/the son of God? I have researched this and my conclusion has come to no, he never stated this, it was implied. Tell me if I am wrong, and if so, give me a verse.
The gospel writers make it clear.

No need to put the specific words into the mouth of the hero when the recognition comes from other members of the cast.

In the end, the audience knows the deal.
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Old 03-31-2009, 05:32 AM   #172
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Did Jesus ever state that he was God?

Its best to wait for God to answer that. Just to be on the safe side? In fact, that is what Christians should have said in the first place!
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And the house of Jacob is called Israel
This refers to the women [ch: the women were first asked by Moses, nefore the men, if they would accept the law].


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and only those of Jacob were called the children of God[Israel].
Where do you get the term, 'children of God' from?

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God never claimed any other people as his own inheritance. And He theirs. Protocol is set in OT and of which Jesus the Jew, son of Jacob-Israel did not change.

The inheritence refers to accepting and being a witness via the law [a light unto the nations]. However, when the law is examined, we find LOVE THE STRANGER, NOT TO CHEAT OR FOOL THE STRANGER; EQUAL RIGHTS FOR THE STRANGER AS THE INHABITANT. These say all are under the power and love of the God which Jews follow - and that there is no other.

The Hebrew bible antithises the premise of excusivity, as seen in both the Gospels and Quran.

No one has immunity or special priviliges, and all are equal. But christianity and Islam have replaced the Hebrew bible's premises with exclusivity based on belief - and negating the majestic laws of the Hebrew bible - by distortion and false charges. A good christian is better than a bad Jew.
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The author of Mark portrayed Jesus as a God, the son of the God of the Jews with the power to forgive sins.
Apparently, also the power to negate or correct God's laws!? But this is a failed effort: all world accepted laws still come exclusively from the Hebrew bible - and not a single one from the NT. Fact. :wave:

FTR, forgiveness of sin, mercy, loving kindness, longsuffering - all come from the Hebrew bible. These are not new discoveries of the Gospels. It
is a sobering thought, no?
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And Jesus told the the disciples they would do greater things than he and they could forgive sins and heal too.
SO?
So, just show me the passage where Jesus told the disciples that they had the power to forgive the sins of the Jews.

Next, show a passage where Peter, or any so-called disciples told any-one that they had the power to forgive sin.

These are the words of Peter as found in Acts 2.21
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And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
No disciple of Jesus in the NT was called upon to save the Jews.
If "forgiving sins" means "healing sickness", as Jesus implies in the beginning of Mark 2, then he also gives his disciples this same healing power when he sends them out in Mark 6:7-13.
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And the house of Jacob is called Israel
This refers to the women [ch: the women were first asked by Moses, nefore the men, if they would accept the law].




Where do you get the term, 'children of God' from?

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God never claimed any other people as his own inheritance. And He theirs. Protocol is set in OT and of which Jesus the Jew, son of Jacob-Israel did not change.

The inheritence refers to accepting and being a witness via the law [a light unto the nations]. However, when the law is examined, we find LOVE THE STRANGER, NOT TO CHEAT OR FOOL THE STRANGER; EQUAL RIGHTS FOR THE STRANGER AS THE INHABITANT. These say all are under the power and love of the God which Jews follow - and that there is no other.

The Hebrew bible antithises the premise of excusivity, as seen in both the Gospels and Quran.

No one has immunity or special priviliges, and all are equal. But christianity and Islam have replaced the Hebrew bible's premises with exclusivity based on belief - and negating the majestic laws of the Hebrew bible - by distortion and false charges. A good christian is better than a bad Jew.

Children of God - children of Israel - sons and daughters of Jacob who were called Israel, the "namesake" of God. Your god, not mine.

Try as you might to prove otherwise, there is no "equal rights" in your Hebrew Bible. It was and is not intended to be equal. The story was not written in the vein of equal rights to all mankind, not intended to offer equal rights, but instead, it's a pious superiority of hatefulness recognized in its storyline of Israelites, in its inequality of mankind to the superior Israelites/Jews. It's a book of selfish, self-centered tall tales. It's shameful and disgusting, impo. The Hebrew god is of course an invention written to suit the bias of hate filled men. The Hebrew bible is a consistent accusation against all humanity[as sinners] because all men refused/refuse to worship the Hebrew god-man. (surprise suprise.. Jesus wasn't the only Jew with a superiority "god" complex. Many Jewish god-men wrote the scripts, revised them to their flavor). The Hebrew Bible is a self-glorifying idol of the Israelites/Jews/Israel. I suppose I might as well throw the Talmud in with it as well.

Let me assure you that you have nothing to brag about when knocking Islam or Christianity. Judaism makes witness to itself as just another death cult improvising as "a light unto the nations". Which, by the way, the intended "nations" held its meaning in the priesthood of Israel which guided the congregation of tribes in laws.
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So, just show me the passage where Jesus told the disciples that they had the power to forgive the sins of the Jews.

Next, show a passage where Peter, or any so-called disciples told any-one that they had the power to forgive sin.

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And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
No disciple of Jesus in the NT was called upon to save the Jews.
How cute. There is neither Jew nor Gentile... in Christ. John , I believe has Jesus telling the disciples to go forgive sin...and of course, if you forgive anyone their sin, it is forgiven. Period, end of story. There is no MAGIC or DIVINE POWER necessary to forgive sin, only a forgiving heart.
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