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capnkirk · 03-17-2004, 05:18 AM

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Originally posted by judge
Hmmm...I have another idea. I'm going to record someone reading it and play the message backwards. It may be from the devil.

Sounds like you've already been playing it backwards.

capnkirk · 03-26-2004, 02:32 PM

I just came across some information that bears on the OP of this long-dead thread...some information important enough to revive it, even if only temporarily.

The following is quoted from Who Wrote the New Testament by Burton Mack. The author is analyzing Paul's letter to the Galatians regarding his rebuttal of the "bewitchers" who were attempting to "Judaize" the Galatian churches. It is important because (color emphasis added by capnkirk):

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It is the earliest recorded revision of Israel's history that tries to align the Christ (myth) with that history. It is the first systematic argumentation that the covenants foundational to Israel were set in anticipation of the coming of the Christ....And it documents the first serious effort to research the Hebrew scriptures as the way to support such a claim.

Briefly, Paul started with Abraham as the acknowledged patriarch of Israel, and among the stories of Abraham he found repeated mention of a promise God made to him that "his seed", or children, would be without number and that "all the nations would be blessed in him." Never mind that the obvious reference here was to physical lineage. Never mind that the promise was made to Abraham and his children, while the blessing was for the nations. Notice, Paul said, that the blessing was promised because of Abraham's faith and righteousness, for "Abraham believed God," it says, "and it was reckoned to him as righteousness." (ed: there follows here a series of statements referenced to Galations 3: ending with) The law, he said, could not make anyone righteous; it was a curse to those who relied upon it and served only as a guardian "until the offspring would come to whom the promise had been made." And who do you suppose that was? Since the law could not abrogate the promise, he concluded, the promise to Abraham must have been fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ....

As one can see, subjects, objects, antecedents, and the plain sense of the passages in Genesis were all violated in order to put the construction upon them that Paul did. To make the argument seem plausible, Paul had to turn the Jewish scriptures inside out....

Here, Mack is describing the scene of the first theft of Hebrew Bible scripture by Xtianity, and elaborating on the precise means, method. and motive. While he was simply demonstrating the construction of Paul's argument, he has incidentally identified a major case in favor of Spin's OP.

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rlogan · 03-26-2004, 03:36 PM

I see too now that we have looked more closely at Isaiah that these passages were also "stolen" by the Christians as packaging material for marketing Junior.

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