aa5874

Justin Martyr bought himself a philosopher's coat?? You made that up.

Justin Martyr was transformed into the Church's foremost spokesperson?? You made that up.

Sheshbazzar

Think someone gave Justin a Philosophers coat aa??? Who??? You're just making -that- up.

Whom else are you going to present as being the Christian Church's foremost spokesperson in the time period between 50 and 150 CE aa???
Name and known writings. Please.

_I'd love to hear you claim that Paul was. :hysterical:

aa5874

You are compounding your problems. You have made another error. I Don't know how Justin got the clothes he was wearing.

You are just making errors after errors. You are the one who made up stuff about Justin that he was transformed into the Church's foremost spokesperson after he buys himself a philosopher's coat.

Where do you get your stories about Justin??? Which books of antiquity??

Sheshbazzar

You're not making yourself look any better aa.

Show us that Justin was NOT the foremost spokesman of the Christian Church circa 150 CE. -Name- who was.

Name whom it was that appointed Justin to that position of Christian Authority if it were not he himself.

Justin's remaining writings indicate that he assumed that position on his own assumed 'authority', as he names NO person, council, nor congregation that ever selected, elected, appointed, or commissioned him to ANY position.

That is the point that I was making from the contents of Justin's own writings. He is a lone wolf.



Justin by his writing specifically wanted to direct his readers to his manner of 'dress' and his 'costume' with the intent of impressing his readers by his clothing. NO?

When you replied; You were obviously overlooking his statements in his Dialogue with Tryphro.
The point I was originally making was about Justin not mentioning the names of any of his supposed Christian friends and co-workers, nor the cities or locations of any Christian Church's. His admitted origins as an outsider and a convert, and how that this being it was quite vain of him to never give a bit of credit, nor ever mention the name of his local congregations founders, nor of any person that was ever in it.

The works of Justin Martyr.

aa5874

You made that up.

In the writings of Justin there is no claim that he bought himself a pholosopher's coat and that he was transformed into the Church's foremost spokeperson.

In fact, it was Trypho the Jew who made the remark about Justin's array.

Dialogue with Trypho

aa5874

The time of authorship of Acts of the Apostles is extremely important because the author was NOT aware of the Pauline letters although he claimed to be a companion of Saul/Paul.

Essentially, if Acts of the Apostles was actually first composed in the 2nd century or later then the entire post-ascension activities of the Apostles was fabricated including the activities of Saul/Paul and the travels of the author with Saul/Paul.

In Acts of the Apostles it is claimed that THOUSANDS of Jews and even Priests Repented that they killed Jesus and were Baptized for Remission of Sins.

In fact, in Acts it is claimed that on the Day of Pentecost, about 50 days after the crucifixion, that 3000 Jews Repented and Believed the story that Jesus was the Christ. Some time later, another 5000 Jews were converted and even more after that.

Thousands of Jews were repenting that they killed Jesus in Acts of the Apostles.

Thousands of Jews Believed the Jesus story in Acts.

Acts 2 KJVActs 4:4 KJVActs 6:7 KJV However, Up to the mid-2nd century and later, Aristides, Justin Martyr and Tertullian appear NOT to be aware that Thousands upon thousands of Jews and priests Repented and Believed the Jesus story 50 DAYS after the very crucifixion on the day of Pentecost and later.

Based on Acts, Thousands upon thousands of Jews admitted that Jesus Christ did come since the Day of Pentecost---but in the 2nd century, Apologetic sources wrote NO such thing.

The Jews only worshiped one God alone and did NOT admit the advent of the Christ.

Aristides’ Apology Justin’s First Apology XIITertullian’s Answer to the Jews Acts of the Apostles was composed AFTER the mid 2nd century and ALL the Pauline letters were composed Acts of the Apostles.

In writings attributed to Aristides, Justin Matyr and Tertullian the authors were NOT aware that Thousands upon thousands of Jews had Repented and admitted that Jesus Christ had already come.

2nd century Apologetic authors were NOT aware of Acts and the author of Acts was NOT aware of the Pauline letters.

That Acts of the Aopostles PREDATED all the Pauline writings is compatible with the Recovered Dated manuscripts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

Sheshbazzar

And do tell us aa. Whom was it that wrote this 'Dialogue' of Tryphro???

I'll even give you a clue. It sure as hell wasn't any real Jewish person by the name of Trypho.

If Justin ever possessed a Philosophers coat (which he implies he did, and wants us to take note of it) he either bought it or stole it, or he'd be found bragging of whatever devout person or organization it was that had conferred or gifted him with his infamous 'dress' and 'costume'.

Most scholars recognize that Justin's 'Dialogue With Trypho the Jew' and the attending account are not a historical account of any actual conversation.

'Trypho the Jew' is nothing more than a fabricated and extremely shallow literary character created by Justin to serve as a foil for presenting his loony theological arguments.
As such Justin's fake literary 'Jew' is never permitted by Justin to ever raise any objections and counter-arguments that would be raised by any educated and real Jewish person.

All Justin's writings have to present as the Jewish view-point is the equivalent of a fabricated author fawning, Donald Duck quacking character that is nothing more an invented sympathetic literary talking-head.

Duvduv

I have to vote for Shesh's statement about "Justin," adding that it was a convenient bit of apologetics by the later church and rhetoric vis a vis the Jews, who the writer obviously was not all that familiar with. And poor Trypho could barely get a word in edgewise in the Justin MONOLOGUE.

Sheshbazzar

Your still weaving and dodging aa. If Justin Martyr was not, and is not, Christianities foremost spokesperson between the years of 100 and 150 CE.
NAME who was.

aa5874

Again, you are an inventor. Justin Martyr did NOT claim he bought a philosopher's coat and was transformed into the Church's foremost spokesperson.

Justin Martyr made a petition on behalf of PEOPLE OF ALL NATIONS--NOT the Church--ALL NATIONS who were unjustly hated and abused, including himself.

"First Apology