outhouse

yes and no

prophecies of someone like this grew after his death mixed with OT content.




10-15 years of this legend grew before paul started murdering the followers.

you cant persecute followers unless you know the followers. he was well aware of what the movement was all about



Someone had to be the first to write this down, why not paul?


and you havnt explained Hosea 6;2 or showed paul wasnt using OT prophecy

outhouse

lets stop this scripture nonsense

http://preceptaustin.org/1corinthians_153-5.htm


For I passed on to you first of all what I also had received, that Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One) died for our sins in accordance with [what] the Scriptures [foretold],


For I passed on to you Corinthians first of all the message I had myself received - that Christ died for our sins, as the scriptures said he would;



he is talking about the OT scriptures

Duvduv

So what? The Paul figure could just be an offshoot of a sect that had similar ideas.

aa5874

You really don't even understand that the Pauline Jesus was Non-human and was NOT dead at all. See 1 Cor. 15

Have you NOT read the Pauline letters?

The Pauline Jesus was ALIVE when Paul supposedly wrote his letters!!!!

Please, please, please. The Pauline Jesus was the one who gave Paul his gospel.

The Pauline Jesus MUST be alive. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the Pauline Jesus to have been dead. See Galatians 1

Just give me the evidence that show the Pauline Jesus was dead in any of the letters.

How in the world could Paul have started a mythical Jesus when according to the Scriptures Jesus was a RESURRECTED Myth?

Paul was NOT the one who first wrote about the Resurrected Myth Jesus that could NOT die. The Resurrected Myth Jesus according to the Scriptures MUST LIVE on the third day.

Please, please, please, read your Bible. See 1 Cor.15

Paul did NOT start the story of the RESURRECTED Myth called Jesus.

Paul SAW Jesus ALIVE and he was the LAST of over 500 people.

Do you understand what Paul wrote???

He did NOT start the RESURRECTED MYTH Jesus story---over 500 PEOPLE did before him.

aa5874

No!!No!!! You stop your nonsense.

You will NEVER EVER find anywhere in Hebrew Scripture that Jesus died for the Sins of Jews.

1 Cor.15.3-4 is Blasphemy.

1 Cor. 15.3-4 is CONTRARY to Jewish Laws of Sacrifice for the Atonement of Sins.

In HEBREW Scripture it is the sacrifice of Bulls and Goats that is required for Atonement of Sins..

Please read Leviticus 16.

Only Christian Scriptures, the Gospel state that Jesus died for our sins and was RAISED from the dead on the third day.

We know that the Jesus story was ALREADY written when 1 Corinthians was composed.

outhouse

your missing the bread and butter here about paul.

he was huge in ressurrection, he was conversing with the ressurrected jesus on the road to Damascus.

Again Paul with roman roots is using his hellenistic version which is very mythical in nature to describe what he wants us to believe.


and I never said he did


know it well, why do you think I popped Hosea into the conversation?


first, there was never 500 people jesus was preaching to. this is another Pauline lie

had the 500 been true, scribes would have wrote about jesus while he was alive and we would have oral tradition. instead there is none and a known pauline fictional piece.


second, he was not alive and paul never knew or met jesus while he was alive, or heard one word pass his lips.

jesus was a nobody uintil he died and claims of ressurrection by his followers.


fiction.


jesus was a small little known traveling teacher from backwoods Galilee, he was a poor peasant who spoke to small crowds for scraps of food.

outhouse

LOL slow down my friend :Cheeky:


its all good, if we thought the same it would be boring as hell:devil3:

we will get to it


I do apologize for the nonsense remark :wave:

outhouse

who said paul was devoted jew intrested in keeping the new sect only in judaism

he did just the opposite, he started the divide away from judaism.



Paul created his own theology and was the leader of his own movement based on a guy who had been dead for 15 years.


its one of the reasons why we dont get any historical jesus from Paul.

he didnt know him at all.

Duvduv

Except if you accept that Acts was attached to GLuke it means that you assume that the author of GLuke conceived that his Paul knew only about a historical Jesus as found in GLuke whose revelation was that of a risen historical Jesus.

outhouse

again with oral tradition being much stronger then literal transmission, your missing the point.

oral transmission was the normal method of telling stories


written material was for a very very select few, in power or for the rich. It was not for the common man.