Clivedurdle

I've read Gnostic Gospels and have got Jesus and the Goddess.

I was unaware that these arguments were accepted - I assumed they were possibilities that had died out - in much the same way that Jungian thinking is not really accepted generally.

Freke and Gandy are having a hard time with Mythical Jesus currently, I assumed the same was the case here.

Is it generally accepted that the Magdalene and the mother of Jesus are the same? If so, that means the comments in Nazarenus about mistranslations and misunderstandings from an original Latin document are correct.



Who was Mary Magdalene?


This link makes two fundamental points - the passion in John should be read as a poetic composition.

Magdalene as a Latin word.

What did Sherlock Holmes say about evidence leading to very different conclusions?

Clivedurdle

is anyone able to comment on the implications of this? From Nazarenus.

Clivedurdle

Enemy

This thread summarises the position as I thought it was understood. What is interesting is the linking of gnosticism with new ageism. This "mumbo jumbo" (Wheen) is strongly attacked by mainstream xians and sceptics!

Very interesting!

I thought the Holy Spirit and the Assumption of Mary could not be the same thing because that denies the psychological importance of four!

Chili

Not in Catholic circles.

An argument can be made that Mary the mother of Jesus is exclusive to Catholics for the simple reason that heaven is for Catholics only (that's in the Cathechism) and since all those who are born of Mary theotokos must end up in heaven, Mary theotokos is for Catholics only (or their rebirth mother could not have been Mary theotokos).

You may call that a circular argument but where are those outside the church that proclaim the surpreme identity of Mary as the seat of wisdom with a whole book of Litany's attached to her name?

John makes a distinction to identify those who did accept him: "who were begotten not by blood, nor by carnal desire, nor by man's willing it, but by God" (Jn.1:13).

Notice that some can be begotten by blood (ie. "my whole family is Christian"), others by carnal desire ("my girlfriend would like it"), and others again by man's willing it (proclaimed at the "age of accountability"). Beside these are those who are begotten by God and the precondition here is that they do not belong to a self proclaimed Christian family (Catholics are not Christians), have no desire to become Christian (so salvation can be a thief in the night), and have no self proclaimed righteousness to defend (no trail of filthy rags behind them).

Based on the above there are two different ways we can be reborn and one would have Mary theotokos as their mother and the other would have Mary Magdalene as their rebirth mother. Those who have Mary as their mother will be nurtured to eternal life by Mary who will meet them at the gates of Purgatory (Mary is incarnate with the entire world below her) while the others will have the lesser serpent as their rebirth mother who is of this world without anything eternal about her.

For those who are born of Mary religion will come to an end (no churches in the new Jerusalem), and for those who are born of Magdalene religion will become more important.

Are they the same? No, they are opposite but can be made into one after resurrection when the Omega is added to the Alpha (Mary is Alpha and Magdalene is Omega wherefore Jesus could say that he was the Alpha and the Omega (to indicate that reason prevailed).