aa5874

I thought Jesus was the son of the Holy Ghost.

There is one prophecy that Jesus may have fulfilled, it is found in Matthew 24:5 and Luke 21:8. The passage in Matthew 24:5, "For many shall come in my name saying I am Christ and shall deceive many".

Now, I cannot determine whether the Jesus in Matthew, Luke or both are deceivers, however it is widely known that many have been deceived.

Gundulf

Where the did you get that idea? Just because in "The Simpsons" Satan has a resemblance to Pan (and Flanders)? Do you really believe this, did you hear it somewhere, or did it just sound good? IF Satan were remotely described in the Bible has a goat-type person, having animal features, of being a musician of any sort, ANYTHING like that... perhaps you may have SOMETHING. Just off the cuff I'd think that Hades shares much more in common with Satan than does Pan.

But I think I'd have as much ground to stand on to claim that Tolkien's Balrog is the inspiration for Satan...

Mizled

The way you described Pan there actually sounds like Dionysus or one of the satyrs that followed him around...

Thor Q. Mada

The Jews are a matriarchal society. You are a jew if your mother was one.

Asha'man

Not in the 1st century. Back then, the only parent that counted was the father. That's why Jesus has two (2) different genealogies that show his line of descent from David, and those geneologies only show father/son relationships.

Of course, since both geneologies pass thru Joseph, they are essentially meaningless, and Jesus can't even fulfill the prophecy of being born from the line of David.

The tradition of counting Jewishness from the mother started sometime around the 2nd century.
Details: Mothers of Israel

ziffel

You're right. I should've said Satan as he is commonly shown in pop culture (horns, hooves, tail, etc)

Thor Q. Mada

I am sorry, I didn't know that. I thought the matriarchial part was much older than that and I actually thought it was from the early beginning of the tribe.

Goathead

HJe means the physical representation, and it came about because Pan represented all that was pagan - ease in nature, acceptance of the human condition and enjoyment of the senses.Xtians did not like this.

At least that was what i was taught in school over 300 years ago or so.

Fortuna

Au contraire ! Do you think that Matt Groening's image of satan is an original creation ? (except for the Flanders part, that's Groeing's!). He is using that Panlike imagery from medieval (and later) European Christian art and sculpture. Visit the Louvre someday. There you will see Christian art from the medieval (and more recent times, even post-rennassaince) in which demons are portrayed as partly animal, usually goat like, and looking very much like the Greco-Roman images of Pan. He is talking about images of demon/Satan/Lucifer from medieval Christian art and literature. You cna find these depiction in some of the old cathedrals as well, usually in frescoe like images carved into the stone of the outside of the cathedral.


This has little or nothing to do with the Bible ! Sure, we all know that in the Bible the "satan",shiatan,stn is a character from Job who looks like a member of god's heavenly court and his wagering buddy). What we are talking about here is the medieval concept of "Satan" or "Lucifer" (very much of the time these 2 seem to be equated - and Yes, I know that Lucifer is latin for the planet we now call Venus). But, to see this conception of Satan, look this up in Dante's "Divine Comedy" in the "Inferno" section. There you will find "satan" described as the king of hell/Hades, in a way not very similiar to the god Hades of the underworld."Divine comedy" .(AS I remember, he is at the center of hell eternally chewing on Judas, Brutus and someone else). Check out this Web Page from a Literature Prof and you will see "Satan" referenced there by name. Actually, Dante is late, but it will give you an idea about this concept of Satan as opposed to the Tanakh character of stn.

In quite a number of these sculptures these demons or satan himself are indeed portrayed Pan-like with goat legs.

If you doubt this, I've got a collection of photos from the Louvre, and I could probably find some of these images if you really want to see them. But Divine Comedy will show you that this archetype of satan is not the same as Tanakhs).

Better still, visit some of the museums one of these weekends. I've seen these pan-like representations of Demons and satan (Specifically labelled as "Satan" by name) in the Kouvre, British Museum and also in the Vatican museum. (I'm sure any major European art museum would have these images)

You need to get out more !

goldenroad

So an atheist will stoop to unquestioningly accepting the Jewish belief of Jesus just to support his beliefs?