sotto voce

Skepticism rolls over.

sotto voce

G'won. Pick one at random.

Duvduv

In relation to what exactly?
A critical contextual examination of these writings leads to the conclusion that the only origin of the texts and canonization was under the auspices of the imperial regime.

anethema

What we seem to have here is a reproduction of the Reformation. My goodness cant anybody get over this! Who is Luther, who is Calvin, who is Wesley? my mind is starting to boggle.

Toto

I guess my attempt at humor did not work.

(I was thinking of a story about Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon - it was said that he would make jokes about the moon that were not really funny, and then when no one laughed, he would say I guess you had to have been there.)

What is your point here? You keep going on about imperial sponsorship, and it is true that various Roman emperors had their influence on the canon. But the process was ongoing. There were documents that earlier Christians thought were authoritative before imperial authority stepped in to confirm that. There were disagreements that continued to the time of Luther.

Are you trying to make a case that the canon was written under Constantine?

Sheshbazzar

If so, then there were NO identifiable Christians before the Reformation, and True™ Christianity did not begin until the 15th century.
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And 'Protestants' don't have criminal records?
Do you need a listing of the crimes of record commited by these Protestants to remind you?





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sotto voce

As you have been told, repeatedly. Excepting the apostolic church, of course, that the Constantinian mock version of it must have murdered, or forced to flee. Remember? Or don't you read my lucidly informative posts? You really should.

There were no Christians possible, as every Reformer said, because of sola fide. To go to Mass to become justified meant that one was not justified, one was not in Christ, one was not a Christian. This is why Protestants ran missions to convert Catholics, as they do today. Elementary theology. Each Reformer condemned the Vatican as the seat of Antichrist, for this reason. An overstatement, as we now see, but very reasonable at the time, and centrally significant in this forum. No matter how many people here turn a blind eye to it. Most here talk about pure shit, instead.

Any who disagreed with the Vatican did not get the opportunity to express themselves, and could not be identified. Elementary history, also ignored.

So if Christianity accepts criminality as a norm, as seems to be implied, does it have any reality, any moral identity? Is there not some agent in the world that makes this forum worth attention?

Sheshbazzar

A lot of wordy nonsense. Your so called 'Reformers' did not come along until the 15th century.
Thus as you admit in your wacko theory, that 'There were no Christians possible' before the 15th century.

You mention some imagined 'apostolic church' but cannot give the name, country, or city of even one single historical person that was one of your imaginary pre-15th century 'apostolic' christians.
You do have not one whit of material evidence for what were the number of, or what the names of the books employed by these unreported, unknowable, and unidentifiable figments of your fevered religious imagination.

In my view it certainly does. 'Christianity' ALL of it, is the living and palpable embodiment of that force evil that presently pollutes the waters and deceives the whole earth; 'THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.'

Catholicism is your MOTHER, and your so called 'apostolic 'protestant' church' is composed of all of her WHORING daughters.
The so called 'Protestant' form of the 'christian' religion is every bit as perverted, and is every bit as evil, and is just as greedy for gain as their MOTHER.

ALL of Christianity alike being guilty of coitus with the doctrines of demons, and committing and continuing the whoredoms of THE HARLOT'S religious syncretisims.
ALL alike under one cherem 'devoted' name, bowing to and worshiping that same Nehushtan that old Serpent snake upon a pole, and receiving the MARK of his name, ALL alike set to be cast into the lake of fire, and burned up forever.

Yes.
האיש ששבצר העברי
The man, Sheshbazzar The Hebrew.



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sotto voce

A lot of wordy nonsense. The space at the end makes more sense.

Sheshbazzar

We shall see, shall we not.