Sven

You most probably know this, but I think it's because of the melting point. One needs far higher temperatures to melt iron, it's thus far more difficult.

WILLOWTREE

I posted the Hydarnes excerpt, obviously, by doing so, I endorse his point to be truth.

I contend you are evading the point and truth of what Hydarnes wrote.

Once again:

Th existence of uncontested text (Egyptian) and its claims but unconfirmed by archaeology does not invalidate the veracity of the text unless the text is the Bible.

WT

WILLOWTREE

http://www.bibleorigins.net/Shatter...itictablet.html

"Despite claims by a number of scholars that there is NOTHING -archaeologically speaking- to link to the Exodus traditions to in the Southern Sinai, I maintain that there is. I have attempted to "link" various elements and motifs appearing in the Exodus narratives with archaeological findings in the Southern Sinai left by Asiatics FROM Egypt."

You have overlooked the wording which I have colorized.

The author of the link goes out of their way to state their humanist worldview.

Then they lay down evidence which supports the "Exodus tradition", BUT this evidence can be interpreted to support what the Bible claims and the Biblical record was written as historical truth.

Asserting "tradition" despite the evidence is contrary to what the evidence supports.

The point:

Author of link has no Biblical axe to grind.

Author produces evidence that they say is what could of started the "tradition".

Evidence interpreted aright = evidence supporting Biblical claims at face value.

Link smashes the false and incessant assertions that "no evidence exists for ancient Israel/Hebrew Sinai-Egyptian presence".

I find mainstream archaeologists deliberately evading Biblical claims by not linking discoveries with text.

Archaeology requires the maximum amount of interpretation and is populated with a vocal anti Bible majority.

funinspace

Ok, there may be some shards that allow for the possibility of Asiatics migrating from Egypt towards Caanan. That would not contradict the Exodus tales, but it hardly gives it much gas. By such allowances on could say that the Sumerian tales with a godess Nin-ti (lady of the rib) who healed Enki from his death sentence from the god Ninhursag shows that Genesis was just borrowed and re-hashed fables. The other ironic part of this 3rd millenium fable (written over a 1000 years before Genesis), is that he was condemned for eating out of this other god's special garden.

WILLOWTREE

CONFIRMATION OF 1453 BC VIA HISTORICAL INTERLOCKING JUBILEE AND SABBATIC CYCLES (source: Dr. Gene Scott and Rutherford/"Pyramidology" Chapter X, pages 650-654)

Leviticus 25 (excerpts)

And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;

But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.

And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you



Levitical law required the Israelites to refrain from farming the ground and releasing those in servitude to go free every 7th year. This became known as the Sabbatic Year/7-year Sabbatic Cycle.

Although these Cycles could not be fully operational until they entered the promise land/Canaan, their inaugural reckoning was the year of the Exodus. Thus the 50th year/Jubilee would come 50 years after the Exodus, which would be the 10th year (civil) since the entry into Canaan.

1453 - 40 year Wilderness journey - 10 years in Canaan = 50th year/Jubilee = 1405-1404 BC (inclusive of year 1453).

However, only after Israel enters Canaan does the first Jubilee Cycle begin, hence Cycle No.1 commences 1405-1404 BC. This Cycle No.1 is counted as such because the Leviticus text specifies "when they come into the land" (Leviticus 25:2).

The Jubilee/50th year would be celebrated at the end of 7 sets of 7 year Sabbatic Cycles. The silver Jubilee trumpet would sound throughout the land on the Day of Atonement (10th Tishri) and this new year would be observed as the Year of Jubilee.


This historical fact produces the following tabulation:

16th Jubilee, that is 7 x 7 Sabbatic Cycles = 16 x 49 = 784 years.

1453 - 40 - 10 = 1405-1404 = date of first Jubilee Cycle.

Josiah's 18th year (621-620 BC) is when the said 16th Jubilee occurred.

The difference between 1405-1404 BC and 621-620 BC = 784 years.
784 divided by 49 = 16 with NO REMAINDER.

IMPORTANT: The fiftieth year was the Jubilee year, but the cycle ended at the 49th year. Hence, the 50th year is the Jubilee AND the first year of the NEXT cycle.

Remember, the Leviticus text says, "when ye enter the land" is when the 1st Jubilee Cycle is to begin.

The date of the Exodus begins the Inaugural Jubilee.

In my case that would be 1453 BC.

1453 - 40 year wilderness journey THEN the Jordan crossing begins Israel's entry into Canaan.

10 years later is 50 years from the Exodus.

1453 - 50 = 1404 BC (inclusive of year 1453).

1404 BC BEGINS the FIRST Jubilee Cycle (Leviticus 25 clock begins).

1,2,3,4.....45, 46, 47, 48, 49 - 50/1,2,3,4.....45,46,47,48,49 - 50/1 etc.etc.

The above enumeration should help in understanding that the 50th year is the Jubilee AND the first year of the next cycle - dual purpose.

The above evidence DECIMATES in it tracks every Exodus dating scheme other than the correct one/Biblical of 1453 BC.

The in-built corroboration of Jubilee Cycles within Holy Text and its subsequent verification of the date of the Exodus is nothing less than spectacular.

This evidence also supports the claim of literary evidence to be premium and archaeological to be inferior due to the arbitrary interpretation of discoveries, and the fact that archaeology is dependant upon the callous and unpredictible kindness of environment and time.

rlogan

No, I tried to get you to see exactly what he says in the blue.

You want this to read there is evidence of an Exodus.

oh well...

Jack the Bodiless

What part of the Biblical phrase "When ye come into the land which I give you" does Scott not understand?

He's just dated the arrival in Caanan.

Of course, he's also assumed that the Bible can be supported by the "Jewish Encyclopaedia". Hardly surprising, because they both use the same source material. Even if it could be shown that Jewish mythology dates the arrival in Caanan to 1453 BC... so what?

Still no confirmation that the Exodus actually happened.

BrianJ

Excellent, just as I suspected. You prefer Hydarnes quote because it suits your position and for no other reason.

Let's take this slowly.

In endorsing Hydarnes' claims I assume that you have checked to see how sound they are, which is what any semi-intelligent person would do.

Given this, can you tell me why you agree that Tell- el Maskhouta is biblical Succoth?

That is all I require at this time WT.

Why do you agree that Succoth should be located at Tell - el Maskhouta?

Cheers.

Brian.

chapka

It's also worth noting that tin is only found in a few places in Europe.

BrianJ

Where is the reference in the Bible that the Jubilee was initiated at the Exodus?

‘When ye come into the land’, was not at the time of the Exodus.

This is untrue WT. The Levitical law did not require the freeing of those in servitude every 7 years, it only required a fallow year every 7 years.

You may be getting confused with the Jubilee year in which those in servitude would be set free.

Reference please for this claim that contradicts the biblical text?

Yes indeed, in the 50th year, not the 49th.

I have pointed out to before about how Dr. Scott refuses to read the biblical teaching on the Jubilee.

Here it is once again since you appear to be suffering from that amnesia trauma that Velikovsky relies on so much.

The Bible instructs the Israelites to have 6 years of farming the ground, which was to be followed by a fallow year, the 7th years.

Obviously, in the 49th year there would be a fallow because 49 can be divided by 7. If the Jubilee year was in the 49th year as you suggest then that year would be a ‘double fallow’ year, where the Jubilee fallow and the normal 7th year fallow would coincide, therefore, in the 6th year the Israelites would need to have enough crops to last them for 2 years, i.e. the 7th year and up until the harvest of the 8th (or 1st) year.

What does it say in Leviticus 25:20-22, which is specifically talking of the Jubilee?

You may ask, "What will we eat in the seventh year if we do not plant or harvest our crops?" 21 I will send you such a blessing in the sixth year that the land will yield enough for three years. 22 While you plant during the eighth year, you will eat from the old crop and will continue to eat from it until the harvest of the ninth year comes in.

Now, be honest with yourself, if this was a normal 7th year fallow, which happens to fall in the 49th year, then there need only be enough of a harvest in year 6 to last until the harvest of year 8 (or the end of year 1 of the next cycle). But, as you, me and Stevie Wonder can see, this reference mentions such a blessing of food in the 6th year that it will be enough to last for 3 years, which has to mean that there was a 2 year fallow, the 49th year which happens to be the normal 7 year one, and the Jubilee fallow of year 50.

If not, then please explain why the Jubilee Levitical instructions mention a three year blessing.

More circular reasoning WT?

Do you have any non-biblical evidence that the Jubilee requirements were ever an historical reality?


I look forward to your reply.

Brian.