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Old 11-18-2005, 02:33 PM   #111
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Number one, Please cite where I:

"advocated the possibility that Josephus had access to texts of which copies or texts dealing with similar materials were found at Qumran".

Number two, I wasn't the one searching. Please reread the passage as you seem to have a misunderstanding.

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Old 11-18-2005, 02:43 PM   #112
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'Arimathea' is a pun upon 'bar matthias'. However, to see joke you need to be able to place in within overall context and typolgical mapping - i.e "good conselors" who arrange to have one individual from a group one three who is takne down from cross and miraculously survives (life 421). This parallel is only coherent within overall mapping structure, of course.

Read the book. In fact, if you send me your address via private message I will pay for it just to be able to have the pleasure of your criticism.

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Old 11-18-2005, 02:44 PM   #113
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Number one, Please cite where I:

"advocated the possibility that Josephus had access to texts of which copies or texts dealing with similar materials were found at Qumran".
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Number two, I wasn't the one searching. Please reread the passage as you seem to have a misunderstanding.
Such ellipses with no other context usually indicate omission of 1st person singular subject and auxiliary.
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'Arimathea' is a pun upon 'bar matthias'.
What makes it a pun? I need something tangible in the linguistic relationship between the terms. A pun can simply be in the eye of the beholder. What's the exact relationship?
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Old 11-18-2005, 02:52 PM   #115
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Read the book.
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Read the book.
This evasion is not an answer. How do you discern a pun in this context?? What process allows you to decide that you have a pun?
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Old 11-18-2005, 03:08 PM   #117
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The 'process' that is described in Caesar's Messiah. It is unreasonable to ask me to paraphrase 350 pages of analysis. As I said - read the book.

Have to go, leave me your mailing address and I will get you a copy.

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Old 11-18-2005, 10:40 PM   #118
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I asked the following question:

When you say "Josephus claimed membership in the Essenes. This is accompanied by the implication that this would have given access to texts�

are you saying that I am implying this, or are you saying that you are making the implication? It is not clear in the sentence..

You responded:

"Your statement makes the implication".

Which "statement" I have made made makes such an impilcation?

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Old 11-18-2005, 11:39 PM   #119
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Read "wording" instead of "statement".

Your wording makes the implication.
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Old 11-19-2005, 07:00 AM   #120
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This is boring.

The way you attacked the 'pun' on bar Mathias was excellent and suggests that our battles over Caesar's Messiah will actually mean something. Why haven't you taken me up on my offer to send you a free copy? Amigo, I 100% promise you that you will find the work - if nothing else - amusing. Give it a shot.

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