Steven Carr

http://www.baylor.edu/baylorproud/ga...s/biblesapr11/

Picture 11 of 19 gives some idea of the size of these 'manuscripts' that are being found, and the ethical nature of Wallace claiming that these sorts of manuscripts should be accepted by Ehrman as proving that the text has not been changed.

Roger Pearse

The papyrology people seem to be beset with problems in this area. Everyone is playing secret squirrel, holding on to stuff which they will publish sometime, if they feel like it, so that it goes on their CV, and that sort of thing. It seems to be a feature of papyrology as a discipline.

For instance I happen to know that there is a Greek mathematical papyrus awaiting publication. It's owned by someone rich (who keeps his identity a secret, so you can't just write to him), and who has arranged for two eminent scholars to publish it, who have copies but can't be bothered to do the job. In the mean time it remains unpublished.

That sort of thing ought to earn those responsible a flogging, in my opinion.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

mountainman

Hi Philosopher Jay,

Oceanographers sometimes have wild ideas. I once read a book by an Oceanographer who claimed that c.1980 our human scientific knowledge knew far more about the topographical surface of Mars and Venus than it did about the surface of the Earth under the oceans. Work since then of course has redressed this balance of unknown information.

Perhaps there is some sort of an analogy here to our palaeographical knowledge of the CHRONOLOGY of so called "Early Christian Manuscripts".

All it takes for major breakthrough in scientific knowledge about "Early Christian Manuscripts" is for a credentialled palaeographer to manage to convince himself, perhaps with a little help from his friends, that a first century handwriting attestation is not only possible, but pragmatic, given the circumstances of the case.

At least can be sure that the Atlanteans used a metric system.






Best wishes


Pete

Steven Carr

I'm used to science where important data is made available to be analysed.

I'm thinking of such things as the recent claim of faster than light particles.

I was surprised that no photographs of this 'manuscript' will appear until a book is published in a year's time.

But then I remembered the Mickey Mouse nature of Biblical scholarship.

stephan huller

Here is a list of scholars associated with the Green Collection:

http://www.greenscholarsinitiative.org/ScholarsStaff

Presumably they have seen the fragments

stephan huller

And lest we all forget Ken Starr runs the university where the Green Collection is kept

PhilosopherJay

Hi Pete,

That we have gospel manuscripts or manuscript fragments that can be dated to the First century is a radically ridiculous claim. As you know, we don't even have any gospel manuscripts or fragments that can be safely identified as Second century. I know that you are even dubious of the ones from the Third century.

Such claims of First century manuscripts really have to be put with claims that we have splinters from the cross of Christ or the grail from the Last Supper.

The sad thing is that early Christian history is in desperate need of really good and serious historical scholars who can separate out the myths from facts.

For those who can't get enough of this type of Euhemerical nonsense, you can try this Website: Atlantis: The Lost Continent Finally Found. Apparently, in this book we can not only find the real location of the mythological island, but:


Warmly,

Jay Raskin

Vorkosigan

Ridiculous in this day and age where it is child's play to put high quality imagery on the internet.

Vorkosigan

Roger Pearse

And the swine won't do it.

stephan huller

Markus Vinzent weighs in on Daniel Wallace's claims as well as other papyrological evidence

http://markusvinzent.blogspot.com/20...nt%27s+Blog%29