GakuseiDon

So funny. On the link where ApostateAbe asked Acharya S questions about Quetzalcoatl, someone named "Random" asked her to stopping evading AA's questions and provide evidence. And Acharya S thought it was me! She went on a long rant about me, too. So very funny!

Random's question:

Acharya S, please answer his question instead of evading it. As an expert in the field, you're expected to give a clear and concise answer to any layman who asks you (backed up with the right evidence that'll make us all go "aha, you sure did get it right!". In this case, the evidence needed would be ancient sources that state Quetzalcoatl was born of a virgin (as in the actual primary text that says it exactly as you claim).

Please, since you're confident that what you're saying is true, just give us the answer instead of evading. No need for ad hominem attacks. And if it's in the links, and I missed it, point me to the exact bit that has the answer. Or if it's in one of your books, to the exact page. I'll buy your book if you tell me the page and you promise me that the evidence (as requested) is in there.

Cheers.

Acharya S's response (some parts snipped):

Nice tactics, Gakusei Don. I'm sorry, but where did I hang out a shingle saying that I was obligated to do research for every ne'er-do-well and smart-mouthed bully who comes along and makes obnoxious and disrespectful demands? His and your questions/comments simply reflect your own ignorance of the subject matter and your personal bias towards me. The bottom line is that if you knew the subject matter about which you pretend to be an expert, you would already know where this information comes from. You don't; therefore, you are ignorant - I really don't trust that you have any interest in the actual subject matter; you are obviously only interested in harassing me personally...

"Apostate Abe" - what are his credentials and accomplishments, please? - has continually spewed hate speech and lies about me and my work, and I am not in the habit of providing information for hateful and mendacious sociopaths. You too, GD, have spread endless lies about me and my work - you have NO integrity and no right to be making any demands on me. I've never done a thing to either you or Abe, yet you've been maliciously smearing me for YEARS. Is that how you conduct yourself in real life? ...

If you are truly interested in this material, I can expect an apology for the years of abuse before I respond. As is typical, the admittedly sociopathic Abe did not even read the first assignment I gave him in his quest to become educated on the subject, which was on the ubiquity and meaning of the pre-Christian virgin-birth motif. Here it is again, but I'm certain that, as usual, you all will simply ignore what I've written there and keep repeating the same falsehoods and personal abuses, because that is what you do...

It's obvious why harpies harass me endlessly - as a sole female with no affiliations, I'm an easy target for obsessive cyberstalking. Now, go get your own life and do your own research...

Stringbean

OUCH!

Toto

Acharya S can be her own worst enemy.

aa5874

Your statement is meaningless.

Doherty can be his own worst enemy.

Ehrman can be his own worst enemy.

Toto can be his own worst enemy.

Anybody can be their own worst enemy

GakuseiDon

Well, I posted on Acharya's blog that Random wasn't me, and she has changed her response so that her rant reflects all those haters generally.

She has words for you as well, Toto.

Acharya S writes:

None of you mindless hecklers possesses any such integrity. Having been called to the carpet for your obnoxious behavior, you continue your personal abuse over at IIDB, while your disrespectful and snotty moderator piles on as usual, rather than taking you for task for the YEARS of your ad homs and general obnoxiousness. You know what they say about those who lie down with dogs, Toto. I am singularly unimpressed with anyone who would happily make the company of Obnoxious Abe and Dopey Don all these years - that's really the best you can do? Anybody who would do so is HIS own worst enemy.

The Great Mind of our Time is on to us, Toto! It looks like our secret -- that you, me and AAbe are secretly in cahoots -- has been exposed! I TOLD you we were being too friendly to each other, that someone would get suspicious!

GakuseiDon

I finally asked Acharya S directly on the Pygmies. My comment is queued for moderation. I asked her on her blog-site:

Hi Acharya S,

No worries on the mistake. You are right, I would make the same demands of you as Random's (i.e. a demand for actual evidence) but I wouldn't promise to buy your book to do it, at least not nowadays.

I do have a question on Quetzalcoatl being virgin-born, and the role of the Pygmies in this. In The Christ Conspiracy, you quote Jackson to the effect:

"The Pygmies believed in a father-God who was murdered, and a Virgin Mother, who gave birth to a Savior-God Son, who in turn avenged the death of this father. These later on became the Osiris, Isis and Horus of Egypt. The Pygmy Christ was born of a virgin..." (Page 388)

Is it possible that the Pygmies are the source for the virgin-birth motif worldwide, or do you think the Pygmies were influenced by an earlier civilization?

Just going into this a little bit further: In TCC, you have a section entitled: "Evidence of an Ancient Global Civilization". In that section, you write:

"As has been seen, it is virtually impossible to determine which nation is the progenitor of western culture and, therefore, the Judeo-Christian tradition, and we are left to ponder the idea of another source, such as the Pygmies, who claim to have been a global culture many thousands of years ago. The fact that the standardized mythos and ritual are found in detail around the world begs the explanation of at least one such global civilzation long ago destroyed by cataclysms but preserved in both story and stone. Indeed, attempts to expain how the same tales and rites came to be known and practiced in Mexico and in such remote places as Polynesia. (Page 391)"

You go on to cite evidence about Pygmy culture being found around the globe, and how they "evidently" reached an advanced state long ago:

"Pygmy remains and culture are found around the globe, including from Egypt to India... Although they may be the oldest race, the Pygmies are in fact true human beings and evidently reached an advanced state long before the "giants" existed in large numbers." (Page 388)

Now, at this website: http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/autho...annunaki.shtml, you make the following statement:

"The sky people were a different matter apparently. Some of them may have been "aliens" in the off world sense, but other legends hold that at least some of these sky people were the remnants of one of the advanced global civilizations destroyed by cataclysm. The legends further say that such advanced people appeared around the world to reestablish civilization after the various cataclysms."

So, tying it together: there are legends that (1) Pygmies had an ancient advanced global civilization, (2) the Sky People are the remnants an ancient advanced global civilization.

Is it possible that the Pygmies are the Sky People? That the aliens known as "Greys" (short pygmy-like beings) are in fact the descendants of Pygmies? Or is that unlikely speculation? Does this feed into how Quetzalcoatl was thought to be virgin-born?

Interestingly enough, I've noticed that she has removed some of her comments about "Sky People" and "Atlantis" from a couple of her articles. Hopefully that means she is rethinking these issues. But we'll see how she responds to my questions above.

GakuseiDon

Well, Acharya S responded to my questions above:

Yes, Don, I'm aware that you've been running around like an obsessive cyberstalker, ridiculing me with your unfounded suppositions, which simply reveal your own ignorance and inability to do research on your own. Do you really think that trying to catch me up like that will somehow prove there's an invisible Jewish man in the sky?

Before you make any "demands" of me, please provide me with the ancient tablet that proves God came down to earth through the womb of a 12-year-old Jewish virgin, cured the blind, raised the dead, walked on water, transfigured on a mount, resurrected himself from the dead and flew off into heaven.

Since I don't believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, etc, and never claimed this, her response is bizarrely fitting, since it suggests that she recognises that her ancient advanced global civilization is an equivalent to those ideas. I'll probably respond back in a day or so.

GakuseiDon

Well, I responded to Acharya S. My comment is awaiting moderation there.

My post:

Hi Acharya S,

Since I don't believe that Jesus is God, and I don't believe that he was born of a virgin, I think you may have confused me with someone else. You might need to get back to your source -- he may be feeding you bad information deliberately.

But either way, I don't how they are relevant to my questions to you. As I quoted you here and elsewhere:

1. You believe that the Pygmies may have had an ancient advanced global civilization.
2. You believe that many of the common motifs found globally suggest the existence of at least one ancient advanced global civilization that helped to spread those motifs.
3. You note that legends hold that at least some of these "Sky people" were the remnants of one of the advanced global civilizations destroyed by cataclysm.
4. You note that Pygmy remains and culture are found around the globe, and that mummified remains of little people or "aliens" are reported to be found in caves or in Tibetan monasteries.

Have I represented you fairly in these statements? If not, I apologise, and please modify as required.

To me, it sounds like you are suggesting that it is possible that the Pygmies or their descendants are the "Sky People". Do you think it is possible? Thanks.

GakuseiDon

It's been three days and my question never made it past moderation. Which is not unexpected, and fair enough.

Stringbean

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc..._POiIA&cad=rja

Although I fail to see a connection it could be more of an Astrotheological connection.

Richard D. Fisher's recognition and discovery of a "Lost Tribe of Tibetan Pygmies"
in April 2009 stirs debate both spiritual as well as scientific.

http://www.canyonsworldwide.com/tibe...ribe/index.htm

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1800's Archeological find in Britain -
Reference: Dr. Robert Neal Boyd

. TENNESSEE

A Pygmie Graveyard in Tennessee


Ancient Man: A Handbook of Puzzling Artifacts,
William R Corliss, Sourcebook Project, 1978.

Anthropological Institute, Journal, 6:100, 1876.

An ancient graveyard of vast proportions has been found in Coffee county. It is similiar to those found in White county and other places in middle
Tennessee, but is vastly more extensive, and shows that the race of pygmies who once inhabited this country were very numerous. The same
peculiarities of position Observed in the White county graves are found in these. The writer of the letter says: "Some considerable excitement and
curiousity took place a few days since, near Hillsboro, Coffee county, on James Brown's farm. A man was ploughing in a field which had been
cultivated many years, and ploughed up a man's skull and other bones. After making further examination they found that there were about six
acres in the graveyard. They were buried in a sitting or standing position. The bones show that they were a dwarf tribe of people, about three feet
high. It is estimated that there were about 75,000 to 100,000 buried there. This shows that this country was inhabited hundreds of years ago."

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/littlepeople.html

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/skulls.html