OldYgg

I never understood why the prophecy says the son of a virgin mother will be Immanuel, but Jesus is about as far from Immanuel as you can get.

Of course, I don't think his real name was Jesus, either, if in fact he existed.

Old Ygg

gracebkr

Emmanuel means God is with us and Jesus means God rescues, kind of the same meaning.

gracebkr

I don't think he has any fake attributes. I think He was a healer. I think He did perform miracles. I think He is the Messiah.

LogDog

Ya just gotta have faith, right? :banghead:

EarlOfLade

Why are you avoiding my question about prayer and amputees and what the bible says about prayer?????

OldYgg

But not the same word. If a prophecy is to be taken at its word, it should at least be accurate.

Old Ygg

OldYgg

If he was a healer and he was proficient at what he did I think it was irresponsible to allow himself to be executed. Consider the countless lives that are dependent on the past and that many died without his healing hand that would have survived. If they survived they would have descendants alive now in the present, instead not only are they dead, but there is no future for their family line. This is the true death where even the memory of your existence is erased.

Of course, there was no faith for anyone who actually knew Jesus. Sort of a stumbling block to the current fad of believing that faith alone is what is necessary.

Old Ygg

gracebkr

Why not try valuing your life? Count your Blessings, not your misfortunes. Jesus Christ was beaten, scourged, crucified, nailed to a cross, but us, all that fall short of his greatness deserve better? He said as I already stated "Blessed are those who believe without seeing, the Kingdom of Heaven is theirs." If you need proof before you believe, then God will not grant you your request, well I am not him, but the Bible says God is just and those who mock Him and deny Him and Christ are not worthy of him. Those who truly, genuinely believe, they don't need proof. If you follow the Word of God, believe in God, you will find God and with that Peace. There is ALWAYS something to be grateful for.

"Lay not up yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and dust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal. But lay up yourselves treasures in Heaven, where neither moth or rust doth corrupt and where thieves do not break through or steal: For where your treasure is there your heart will also be."

Did I help? Earthly things, our bodies included. Our bodies are just a way to get around in this place. They too are just a possesion we will no longer have when we die.

gracebkr

Well, Jesus died so we could have everlasting life with Him. So after Jesus died, He went to Hell and brought the sinner's to Heaven. Now, Jesus saved everyone in an even better way. I would rather live forever with God and never need anything again then live here longer.

spamandham

While it's true that the Bible does contain some actual history, so does Tom Sawyer. That doesn't make it a history text. I'm not aware of anyone seriously interested in history who would reject EVERYTHING in the Bible simply because parts of it are obvious myth and legend. It isn't an all or nothing proposition. It's perfectly valid to accept the ordinary claims that can be corroborated, while rejecting the wild claims that can not.

We do the exact same thing when reading Josephus. He makes all kinds of crazy wild claims about flying chariots etc., yet he also provides us details regarding ordinary events. Must we apply an 'all or nothing' approach to Jospehus as well? Most ancient texts contain some elements of the fantastic. It's common practice to use such claims to understand the culture, but we don't take them seriously, because we know we are dealing with a pre-scientific superstitious culture that believed gods and demons were behind every stone.