Sheshbazzar

Well, their goal for the month is $4000.

$4000 divided by 2036 members = a whopping $1.96 each.

Golly! wonder if they have any chance of reaching their goal?

Anyone wanna be a Torah observant 'Jew' and send 'em an extra $3000 or so?

(They do accept PayPal, minimum $20.00 )

Sheshbazzar

Sometimes interesting to chase these things down James Scott Trimm

outhouse

LOL good find. what a douche


just posting what I found.



Like I said earlier, Ive played the mandatory side before. There are some passages about voluntary temple taxes I couldnt refute.


My research showed there is little work done in this area, theres some good info from a few scholars in books, but i'm playing hell trying to find the right pages for you.

judge

This is the internet, one isn't supposed to open (or god forbid change ) one's mind merely because we are presented with evidence contrary to our own view! :Cheeky:

aa5874

What Origen stated is applicable to the QURAN.

Again, Origen is claiming that he EXPECTS people who do NOT Believe Jesus was the Child of a Ghost would INVENT Falsehood.

Don't you understand what Origen stated???

Tell me, if you don't mind, what you would SAY if you FABRICATED a character from Whole Cloth that was born of a Ghost and others told you that the character was REALLY HUMAN???

Won't they have INVENTED a Falsehood???

The Jesus story is easy to comprehend.

It was FICTION, a Myth Fable, a Ghost story but some people of antiquity thought Jesus was real and INVENTED their OWN story WITHOUT a shred of corroborative evidence.

ALL the people of Antiquity who claimed Jesus of Nazareth EXISTED as human INVENTED a FALSEHOOD.

None of them produced any credible documented evidence for a human Jesus who was NOT FATHERED BY a Ghost.

outhouse

LOL the less I know the more I learn :notworthy:

Sheshbazzar

On the one hand you might save yourself the effort.

From POST #280;
Neither you nor any other person(s) arguments can ever remove the 'They SHALL..' from Exodus 30:12, & 30:13. The 'SHALL give' of 30:14. The two 'SHALL not's' of 30:15. And the two 'SHALT'S of 30:16. (7 'SHALL's')

There is much more to this matter than you presently have any conception of.

On the other hand, if you pursue this course, you are in danger of learning just how far in error, and invalid these opinions are.
Are you certain you want to upset the apple-cart of your own opinions by exposing them to the intensive scrutiny that they will here receive?

Are you prepared to know the -sowd- of -yad yamin'ka- from -yad shmol'ka-? and -safar- the -atzeboth-? and the -middah- of the -kaneh ha'ma'shulash-?

Should I begin to open secrets of the ages in a place such as this, rather than to those to whom the hidden have been reserved?
Oh The quandary of it, on the one hand, and on the other.
But do what you will do, and we shall see what it is that shall be.

tanya

1. how do we know that date?
2. Al-Buraq was not a "winged jackass"
3. Why did Mo fly to Jerusalem, and not Athens, Alexandria, or Persepolis?

In my opinion:
a. Most of what little we know about early islam is forged;
b. There is no difference between fairy tales about Noah, Adam&Eve, Moses, David v. Goliath, etc etc, ad nauseum, and the fairy tales about Mo flying on Al-Buraq. What, Jesus can fly with demons, but Mo can't fly with Al Buraq?
c. Islam is obviously imitating Judaism.

Ehrman claims historicity for Jesus based on "Paul"!!!! That's his evidence!!! Well, Paul traveled to Mecca, right? Must have been something down there, worthy of his attention...

Duvduv's question is right on target....When did the change from human jesus to divine jesus occur? The word evidently filtered down to Mecca slowly, because three centuries after Constantine, they were still applying the ancient Jewish formulae, not the Christian dogma.


1. "ALL" is a lot of folks;
2. the "FALSEHOOD", could have been planted, e.g. the Romans....
3. Since we know that ghosts don't impregnate women, .....
4. since we know that the "bible" is filled with lies, distortions, falsehoods, and hyperbole, why get excited about one or another bit of nonsense? What's a little misrepresentation among friends--maybe there are a couple of typos in the good book, but the main point is this, brother, you will be saved, because of Jesus' sacrifice--provided you have faith in his divinity (and you can demonstrate that faith, right here, right now, just drop a few coins into this little basket...)

Sheshbazzar

Checked with several sources, and that was the most consistent time-frame claimed.
Detail details
:thumbs:

Duvduv

It is more unusual because even if the authors of the Quran who were obviously able read and write relied on the apocryphal pseudo-Matthew and Infancy Gospel of James, they ALSO relied on what appears to be GLuke, including for the miracles performed by Jesus though without any description of them.

IF that is they case, then they must have known the rest of the canonical texts, which included information of course about the nativity, Joseph, etc. and the Pauline epistles, yet the canonical nativity stories, Joseph AND Pauline dogma are skipped over in favor of a couple of swipes at the trinity.