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reprise · 08-16-2004, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lulay

FIRSt let me tell you that my original reply had been intended to join the other thread of this forum "Religion is the problem not the answer"...i must have hit the new thread button by mistake,...i've contacted the moderator and await his action...till then, lets try and crack on.

The "Religion is the problem not the answer" thread which was started in this forum was closed as there's an existing discussion of the LA Times article in PD.

truthie · 08-16-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cweb255

I don't see the comparison? Oedipus was about blindness, not being able to see what is in front of the eyes? A more god-aware story is Agamemnon, who kills his daughter for calm winds (Iliad).

Free will.
Back in the Greek days there were two schools of thought. One was that your destiny was in the hands of the gods and that you could do nothing but be their puppet. :down:

The people of that time believed everything good or bad was caused by the gods, and that the pain and suffering was a consequence of the gods’ wrath.
The play clearly shows the importance of including some kind of appeal to the gods since without some sort of appeal to the gods, the gods may have very well smote them (the audience) just as Zeus smote Oedipus, and that was the thinking in those days and the framework that the play showed to the audience.

What else, pseudohistory of Neopaganism(esp. Wicca) and now, pseudohistory of Ancient Pagan societies and the teachings of Greek plays! :banghead:

Sorry that I overreacted, but I did not know that my past self was so annoying till I saw other people acting the way I used to.
I was terrible when I first came to this board.
True Agamenon is feeakier.

T.

Dean Anderson · 08-18-2004, 06:25 AM

I've split out the discussion on Hitler to here.

Newton Joseph · 09-09-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lulay

here's my opinion. That it started with the patriarchy. They prohibited REAL Direct experience. real ecstatic communal experience inspired with hallucinogenic inspiration. where we would commune with each other and Nature in a Deep and menaingful way. what replaced that is the utter sham we call 'religion'....and we are seeing and reaping the consequences of that oppression

It was common that God men 2,000 years ago used hallucinogenic drugs to have a mystical experience with their God. It is interesting that Christianity had its beginnings by drug addicts and other crazies
:devil1:

whichphilosophy · 09-09-2004, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Newton Joseph

here's my opinion. That it started with the patriarchy. They prohibited REAL Direct experience. real ecstatic communal experience inspired with hallucinogenic inspiration. where we would commune with each other and Nature in a Deep and menaingful way. what replaced that is the utter sham we call 'religion'....and we are seeing and reaping the consequences of that oppression

Given this is of course opinion there is no scientific data.

I

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Originally Posted by Newton Joseph

t was common that God men 2,000 years ago used hallucinogenic drugs to have a mystical experience with their God. It is interesting that Christianity had its beginnings by drug addicts and other crazies
:devil1:

History does show there were several instances of fanatics, etc. Of course these are the person who perverted the meaning of religion. :wave:

Does this mean that mainstream psychiatry wants to take over that perceived role with its record by administering heavy drugs, but electric shock treatment? :Cheeky:

truthie · 09-09-2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lulay

here's my opinion. That it started with the patriarchy. They prohibited REAL Direct experience. real ecstatic communal experience inspired with hallucinogenic inspiration. where we would commune with each other and Nature in a Deep and menaingful way. what replaced that is the utter sham we call 'religion'....and we are seeing and reaping the consequences of that oppression

Whichphilosophy.

Actually, it was Lulay who posted this, not Newton Joseph. Newton Joseph is too sharp to post such a irrelevant statement.

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Originally Posted by whichphilosophy

Given this is of course opinion there is no scientific data.

T.

whichphilosophy · 09-10-2004, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by truthie

Whichphilosophy.

Actually, it was Lulay who posted this, not Newton Joseph. Newton Joseph is too sharp to post such a irrelevant statement.

T.

I took this from No 14 or do I need glasses or have some kind of attention disorder.

reprise · 09-10-2004, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by whichphilosophy

I took this from No 14 or do I need glasses or have some kind of attention disorder.

I just fixed the coding on that post, in which Newton Joseph was quoting lulay.

whichphilosophy · 09-10-2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by reprise

I just fixed the coding on that post, in which Newton Joseph was quoting lulay.

Oh. When I quoted the name Newton was shown, Still never mind same answer anyway.

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