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seebs · 07-09-2006, 09:59 PM

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Well, that's total nonsense from my POV and experience. I get very turned on by men and women.

You might find the research interesting; it might be even more interesting to see if you can get a gig as a subject so you can compare your own experience to what they claim is happening.

stray bullet · 07-09-2006, 10:03 PM

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You might find the research interesting; it might be even more interesting to see if you can get a gig as a subject so you can compare your own experience to what they claim is happening.

There are many, many males that have had sex with men and women and enjoyed it.

If this reseach consists of showing men gay or heterosexual porn, then that's a whole different subject.

MichieC · 07-09-2006, 10:10 PM

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I'd probably be removed from staff if i said on OBOB I was bisexual and that it's okay to be bi too.

I can identify with CeeBee because I had to go through the same feelings and I remember what it is like. I remember what it is like to be scared of being found out. I remember thinking how embarrassed I'd be if I died and went to Heaven and everyone found out I liked guys. I remember making fun of homosexuality so people wouldn't suspect me.

I remember how totally dark and worthless I thought I was... and none of them seem to get it. They don't know what this kid is going through- and i do. I can't tell him it's going to be okay, because I've been there.

I have to sit by why these chuckle-heads fill his mind with irrational garbage they are clueless about.

Well what pisses me off is the fact that if he came in & said he was attracted to girls only they would be cheering him on.

They would not be telling him to not define himself by his hetrosexual tendencies or that how was he sure at this young age that he was actually a hetrosexual.

I've brought this up before but as usual...no answers.

ravenscape · 07-09-2006, 10:13 PM

Sometimes I feel very, VERY out of the loop. I just noticed that Rising Tree is back on staff.

seebs · 07-09-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stray bullet

There are many, many males that have had sex with men and women and enjoyed it.

If this reseach consists of showing men gay or heterosexual porn, then that's a whole different subject.

I'm not sure exactly what the tests are. I think it's mostly porn. Well, technically, not porn; naked bodies. Since it's research, it's not porn.

seebs · 07-09-2006, 10:29 PM

http://www.christianforums.com/t3121...id.html&page=3

Armyman_83 is trying to explain that fighting people you disagree with is a Christian virtue.

Crazy Liz · 07-09-2006, 10:29 PM

I had no idea we had so many Orson Scott Card fans here! :jump:

stray bullet · 07-09-2006, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MichieC

Well what pisses me off is the fact that if he came in & said he was attracted to girls only they would be cheering him on.

They would not be telling him to not define himself by his hetrosexual tendencies or that how was he sure at this young age that he was actually a hetrosexual.

I've brought this up before but as usual...no answers.

They can't understand a PoV different than theirs and refuse to discuss that a sexuality that is non-heterosexual is neither a choice, nor non-alterable.

I'm not a deviant, but they make me feel like I am one. It is as though I haven't prayed hard enough.

Being heterosexual, bisexual or gay is 100% natural. It is what you do with that that counts. Perhaps I'll have the courage in the coming days, depending on the responses CeeBee gets, to let them know he's not a deviant.. but a healthy, normal male.

stray bullet · 07-09-2006, 10:35 PM

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I'm not sure exactly what the tests are. I think it's mostly porn. Well, technically, not porn; naked bodies. Since it's research, it's not porn.

From what I understand, gay porn is pretty nasty and deviant, only appealing to certain gay men and some women. I can honestly say I haven't investigated the matter, but I have gay friends that do... and i'm not surprised by the responses.

seebs · 07-09-2006, 10:40 PM

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From what I understand, gay porn is pretty nasty and deviant, only appealing to certain gay men and some women. I can honestly say I haven't investigated the matter, but I have gay friends that do... and i'm not surprised by the responses.

It runs the range. I mean, you get het porn anywhere from a couple of 19-year-olds playing around in a bed to violent S&M... Same thing with gay porn, as I understand it, although I think the averages are a bit different. Fewer consumers of gay porn are terrified that someone will think they're a deviant.

I think the sexual response tests use pretty much plain naked bodies, rather than porn, because that's all the low-level pattern recognition twigs to.

Of course, this may be why they get results different from the cognitive experience.

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