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Old 11-12-2003, 12:43 AM   #1
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Question The Rapture is anti-semitic.

How does the Rapture take into account that "God's chosen people" are not Christian, and therefore won't be Raptured?

How does Christianity reconcile itself with this? They believe that God said the only way to him is through Christ, and only true Christians will be raptured. And yet, it's the definitely-non-Christian Jews who are God's chosen people.

So, what gives?
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Old 11-12-2003, 04:05 AM   #2
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How does the Rapture take into account that "God's chosen people" are not Christian, and therefore won't be Raptured?

How does Christianity reconcile itself with this? They believe that God said the only way to him is through Christ, and only true Christians will be raptured. And yet, it's the definitely-non-Christian Jews who are God's chosen people.

So, what gives?
Just my take on this lunachick, but they don't need to reconcile this. The rapture is supposed to happen at the beginning of the Great Tribulation and during this punishment of the earth by their God, there are supposed to be 144,000 Jewish prophets going around preaching repentance and faith in Christ. It is during this time that the Christians believe the prophecy in Romans about all Israel being saved will happen. I didn't believe that literally meant every Jew, but that for the most part they would turn to Christ during the tribulation.

Of course this is all myth, and is written in very confusing language of the Book of Revelation.
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Old 11-12-2003, 06:14 AM   #3
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How does the Rapture take into account that "God's chosen people" are not Christian, and therefore won't be Raptured?

How does Christianity reconcile itself with this? They believe that God said the only way to him is through Christ, and only true Christians will be raptured. And yet, it's the definitely-non-Christian Jews who are God's chosen people.

So, what gives?
Chosen people refers to the Jews purpose of bringing forth the Messiah. The Jews were offered salvation first through Christ. They rejected Him, and salvation was opened to the gentiles. After the salvation of the gentiles, God will fullfill His promise to the Jews, and they will realize they rejected their own messiah.
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After the salvation of the gentiles, God will fullfill His promise to the Jews, and they will realize they rejected their own messiah.
No he won't, and no we won't.

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How does the Rapture take into account that "God's chosen people" are not Christian, and therefore won't be Raptured?

How does Christianity reconcile itself with this? They believe that God said the only way to him is through Christ, and only true Christians will be raptured. And yet, it's the definitely-non-Christian Jews who are God's chosen people.

So, what gives?
The rapture is anti-nonchristian.
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No he won't, and no we won't.
Are you a theist?
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Consistent Thinker, take your personal questions to PM. This thread is about how evangelical Christians view the fate of Jews in the Rapture. Let's stick to it, please.

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Please to note how Consistent Thinker, knowing my beliefs full well as they posted elsewhere, is attempting to provoke and draw attention to himself.

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Noted. Hence my comment above. Now back to the topic of the thread, please.
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Coming from one who does not think the Scriptures teach that the rapture is imminent, my answer might prove unsatisfactory.

The rapture is simply that event which occurs precisely at the time of the Return of the King (yes, I am waiting for December, too).

I know that in popular xianity, Christians see themselves as "replacing" Israel. This is not, however, the picture we see in Scripture. What we see there is "ingrafting," i.e., "adoption" into the chosen family of God. "To the Jew first and then to the Greek," etc. However, some have been cut off, indeed, "not all Israel is true Israel," & co. Christianity is thus the continuation of, not the replacement of . . .

Read this carefully before responding, you bigots, and otherwise ignoble race-baiting mooncalves.

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**edited to emmend the following by FormerFundie: "It is during this time that the fundamentalist-Dispensationalist Christians believe the prophecy in Romans about all Israel being saved will happen. . . ."
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