Nice Squirrel

BBT that was awesome!

Rhea

I'm confused is personal responsibility good or ungood? So it's a good and noble thing to want a system that keeps you from going hungry despite risks? Just out of curiosity, were you aregiung FOR or AGAINST social security privatization?


It's an interesting scenario you make. Take my company. There was a market down turn. Despite my being an employee whom you claim is not exposed to "risk" about the company, my Employee Stock Purchase fund went from $100 a share to $1 a share. Rather a large bite for a lady who theoretically needen't go hungry. My CEO, of course received a large stock option at that $1/share price. And he (and the executive committee) all somehow got bonuses that year. And the next year, and the next, while I was here with no raise and my husband laid off. Now I'm not saying whether or not I object to their behavior, but it certainly makes a lie out of your scenario that the capitalist works exists in some risk-free environment as a beneficiary of hard working and suitably compensated executives.


So upon analysis, your scene is patently false as a representation of the reality of capitalism.

The "little guy" DOES take a risk, a large one, relatively speaking. My lifestyle changed considerably more than the execs did during our 3-year capitalistic downturn.


Assuming this was all done in humor, do you have a more realistic drama to provide as a basis for discussion?

Hitetlen

The OP was meant as a basis for discussion... in an easy to understand dialog format, with some sarcasm included.

Funny, that none of the Marxists could bring up any counter-argument, did not even try. Oh well, no real surprise there. However, if it is true that most sincere form of flattery is imitation, then I feel flattered. Their attempt of humor leaves a lot to be desired, but what the heck.

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Hitetlen

No, that is not an analysis, just one example. Since I did not say that EVERY WORKER enjoys their position, one example means nothing.

The original Marxist opinion is that "ALL PROFITS ARE THEFT". To disprove that is easy. The opposite of "all profits are theft" is NOT "no profits are theft", rather "NOT all profits are theft". Simple logical negation does not equal the opposite.

Q.E.D.

RED DAVE

From Hitetlin:
I have hesitated to answer you because our holy communist sodality has warned me against rashness. However, since I am not forbidden to reply (all I risk is a lashing), I will do so

Hitetlin, how dare you expose the sacred secrets of our religion? How did you learn of our mysteries? How have you uncovered our dreadful secrets? Since we are accustomed to the standard bribes of money, power, drugs and sex, I can only assume you have discovered a new and terrible vice, which I am anxious to indulge in.

So, Hitetlin, by the power vested in me by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky (MELT), I hereby abjure you: speak no more secrets and turn over the goods.

For all the Mrxists in the universe, Jewish and elsewise,

RED DAVE

Nice Squirrel

The OP was the basis for discussion, however the responses were not discussing the OP but rather the pantheon of wise and wonderful dieties that are to be worshipped, Marx, Engles, Lenin, Trotski, Rand, Smith and Brother Josef Satlin.

:notworthy All of whom I respect with the utmost respect, as well as their prophets in the Hall of Ears who will someday allow me to visit my wife when she is out of the reeduaction camp. :notworthy

Rhea

What I meant by patently false is that NO WORKER is operating without risk. Therefore your scenario cannot be true. There is no worker in the private sector who is immune from layoff, immune from pension dissolution or immune from lawsuit.

Since your scenario includes someone who claimes to be immune from risk (won't go hungrey when things go bad), it is patently false. I can't be much plainer or better supported.


By the way, I'm not one example in my company I'm merely one of THOUSANDS. Yes I said thousands, in one company alone.

Bumble Bee Tuna

There is really no point in trying to bring up a counter-argument to a strawman. They're self-defeating arguments.

Hitetlen

Hehe! That was quite funny. Thanks.

I hope the lashing will not be painful.

Hitetlen

Since life is inherently risky, what you said is quite true, but has no real relevance.

Sure, I was laid off before when the best company I ever worked for went belly up. The results for me were MUCH less painful than for the owner. All I had to do is get another job, which is not as stressful as seeing your life's work (if you pardon the expression) go down the drain.